McCain’s reversal on affirmative action counters retired Latino general’s claim that officer ranks aren’t sufficiently diverse

LatinaLista — Running for the presidency of the United States can make a person do some weird stuff like changing positions on an issue which at one time was considered the right thing to do and suddenly is considered to be too sympathetic to a constituency under attack.
The latest example of “changing the course of political discourse” is Sen. McCain’s stance on affirmative action. ABC News reports that Sen. McCain has reversed himself on the issue.

Senator John McCain
However, before he gets too comfortable in endorsing a bill that would eliminate race and gender considerations back in his home state of Arizona, he better seriously consider how this impacts not just Hispanics in civilian life, but in the one arena that he never passes up professing a great love for when appearing before a Latino audience — the military.


When Sen. McCain appeared on “This Week” with George Stephanopoulos over the weekend, he was asked about the proposed state ballot in Arizona that would end affirmative action.

STEPHANOPOULOS: “Opponents of affirmative action are trying to get a referendum on the ballot here that would do away with affirmative action. Do you support that?”
MCCAIN: “Yes, I do. I do not believe in quotas. But I have not seen the details of some of the proposals. But I’ve always opposed quotas.”
STEPHANOPOULOS: “But the one here in Arizona you support?”
McCAIN: “I support it, yes.”

When reporters questioned McCain’s campaign about the switch in his position, campaign workers were at a loss to explain it. As one said, “I do not have a firm enough grasp on the historical and relevant context of McCain’s remark in 1998 to give you the pushback that this question deserves.”
This sudden reversal is troubling because it’s a clear example that McCain won’t stand up to party conservatives who are dictating the Republican Party’s stand on the issues, and particularly those that impact the Latino electorate.
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Major General Freddie Valenzuela
Yet, something that McCain didn’t anticipate when he voiced on national TV his support for such a measure is how it squarely contradicts with what one retired, high-ranking Latino officer has decided to reveal about the military.
On a personal level, McCain’s change in position has to be deeply disappointing to retired Major General Freddie Valenzuela, who in his new book “No Greater Love: The Lives and Times of Hispanic Soldiers,” states that one of the reasons why he wrote his book was “to try to make the playing field more level and to help the army become more sensitive to diversity issues and stave off any backlash based on ill perceptions.”
In his book, Valenzuela dedicates a whole section to “Dealing with Discrimination” in the military. Valenzuela writes, “Hispanics are proportionally the most killed and the most wounded, and in fact, Hispanics have a twenty percent higher chance of dying in combat than non-Hispanics. Yet they are also the least decorated.”
While Valenzuela does write that he feels the army’s promotion and award system is “objectively fair,” it’s clear that he struggles with criticizing a part of his life that he obviously holds in high regard — as McCain.
But the important thing is that Valenzuela, no matter how much he professes his admiration for the service that was a part of his life for 33 years, reiterates on several occasions just how dismally un-diverse the military is when it comes to the upper ranks.

“As I have stated in the book, if the U.S. Army is truly committed to promoting diversity within the institution, it must continue to increase minority representation in the ranks. This requires that senior leadership — starting with the administration and going all the way down through the military hierarchy — openly commit itself to the recruitment, retention, development and support of those servicemen and servicewomen who were previously forgotten.”

Affirmative action was put into place because it forced institutions to see past the negative racial stereotypes and those hiring to put aside their ingrained prejudices and include people of color among their labor force, management and ranks. McCain’s endorsement of the anti-affirmative action bill implies that he feels it’s no longer needed — a decision he reached most obviously by listening only to people who support such a bill.
As President of the nation, we would expect him to make a more informed decision and look at the racial make-up of institutions to see if we really have evolved as a country to the point where affirmative action is no longer necessary.
So far, in every speech before a Latino audience, Sen. McCain includes the same passages regarding military service and Hispanics.

Let me close by expressing my gratitude for the contributions Hispanic-Americans have made to the security of the country I have served all my adult life. I represent Arizona where Spanish was spoken before English was, and where the character and prosperity of our state owes much to the Arizonans of Hispanic descent who live there. And I know this country, which I love more than almost anything, would be poorer were we deprived of the patriotism, industry and decency of those millions of Americans whose families came here from Mexico, Central and South America.
When you take the solemn stroll along that wall of black granite on the national Mall, it is hard not to notice the many names such as Rodriguez, Hernandez, and Lopez that so sadly adorn it. When you visit Iraq and Afghanistan you meet some of the thousands of Hispanic-Americans who serve there, and many of those who risk their lives to protect the rest of us do not yet possess the rights and privileges of full citizenship in the country they love so well. To love your country, as I discovered in Vietnam, is to love your countrymen. Those men and women are my brothers and sisters, my fellow Americans, an association that means more to me than any other. As a private citizen or as President, I will never, never do anything to dishonor our obligations to them and their families.

If that is true, then Sen. McCain should be listening to his “brother” Major General Freddie Valenzuela and recognize that affirmative action is not a concept whose time has come and gone but one that has reached selective success.

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  1. Evelyn said:

    The U.S. Should Never Deny the Right to Education. So Why Are We?
    Posted by Christina Jimenez, Drum Major Institute at 1:51 PM on July 28, 2008.
    The DREAM Act is a small first step to a better and more effective immigration debate.
    Since its foundation, our nation has witnessed the special contributions and success of immigrants and their children. Indeed, some of the most innovative contributions to American society have come from the children of immigrants, both the second generation (those born in the United States) and the generation known as 1.5 — those born abroad and brought to the U.S. as children. It was a Belarusian 1.5 immigrant, Irving Berlin, who wrote “God Bless America.”
    Children of immigrants are unique in that they are raised in multiple cultures and become effective at building bridges between them. The 1.5 generation, however, exhibits even a greater level of uniqueness and talent. They are immersed in their native culture long enough to learn their native language and cultural values, but come to this country early enough to easily learn English and become part of mainstream America. 1.5 immigrants tend to be fluently bilingual and bicultural, communicate easily between two worlds, and can easily connect to different cultures, approaching the ideal global citizen.
    Their cultural and language fluidity has even proven to be an advantage in school performance. Although, as Albuquerque’s Mayor Martin Chavez says in a MayorTV interview, we live in the “only nation on Earth that seems to celebrate monolingualism;” studies have shown that 1.5 generation students tend to do better in school than their monolingual peers. It is immigrants’ richness in multiculturalism and multilingualism that has transformed and strengthened our nation.
    But like their talents, the challenges faced by some members of the 1.5 generation, are also unique. Today, there are an estimated 1.8 million undocumented children living in the United States. The immigration status of these children derives from their parents. If the parents are undocumented, there is no way for immigrant children to gain legal immigration status on their own. Although raised and educated here, undocumented children face tremendous barriers when they try to go on to college or work legally and live in fear of deportation.
    Approximately 65,000 undocumented students graduate from high school every year with almost no hope to access higher education. But even if they overcome this barrier and complete a college education, these students face the same predicament, if not worse. Having attained a Bachelors or Masters degree, they cannot put their education into practice: their immigration status prevents them from working and contributing to our economy and society.
    The Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act, known as the DREAM Act addresses the struggle of these undocumented 1.5 generation immigrants. Although it was first introduced to Congress back in 2001, the DREAM Act has lacked the political will to become a reality. Clearly Congress has, for too long, listened to the few and irrational anti-immigrant voices.
    Senator Barack Obama has co-sponsored the DREAM Act and publicly announced his intention of making this bill a reality. Senator McCain on the other hand, has supported the bill in the past but walked out when it was voted on last year, stating that the elusive goal of “border security” would have to be achieved before the situation of young people already living in the United States could be addressed.
    A 52-44 majority of the Senate voted in favor of the bill, but 60 votes were needed for the DREAM Act to proceed.
    By ignoring these 1.5 immigrants’ aspirations and not allowing them to contribute to our society, we are throwing their invaluable talents, creativity, and knowledge to waste. And today in a globalized world, their uniqueness, multilingual and bicultural skills, and contributions are more important than ever to the success and global competitiveness of the United States. The DREAM Act is a small first step to a better and more effective immigration debate.

  2. EYES OF TEXAS said:

    If there is a law, a rule or a condition that prevents a minority from advancement it is considered racism, but if it prevents an Anglo-American from advancement it’s refered to as affirmative action, not as white racism. Having to hire, promote or advance anyone based solely on their ethnicity is nothing more than racism in its purist form. For true equality the playing field must be at the same level for all and let the most qualified succeed. As long as racial laws exist, there will continue to be racist attitudes from both sides involved.
    I personally know of several incidents where a more qualified person was not hired for a job because a quota had to be met by an employer to prevent legal action against the company. Affirmative action is racist.

  3. Frank said:

    I think it time to do away with Affirmative Action also. It had it’s place in the past but we have come a long ways from the Civil Rights Era and discrimination. I think everyone should be judged on their own merit, not their skin color or race or to be given preferential treatment because of such.

  4. Gina said:

    AFFIRMATIVE ACTION …
    Minority groups demand special treatment, but Equality should be equal for all Americans. We should not provide favoritism for any specific group, but we should provide equal opportunities for all. When we provide affirmative action, it’s always at the cost of someone else. In addition, when we provide millions of illegal immigrants health, education, and other services, it puts a huge drain on American citizens. That’s why California is now proposing a drastic cut in salaries to state employees. For some time now, our public schools have dumbed down their instruction to all students, in order to accommodate students who can’t keep up. This has resulted in American students ranking around 17th in academics compared to kids in other countries. The trend by the left is political correctness, which means pandering to the lowest common denominator. This doesn’t bode well for the future of America.

  5. Evelyn said:

    Eyes said
    Affirmative action is racist.
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    Eyes is a supporter of Stormfront, I dont know if he is a member. He sent me to this website in a discussion on this forum. AA, goes totally against his racist agenda. I was shocked by their claims. This is mild.
    ~~~
    On Labor Day, 1957, a special meeting was attended by Martin Luther King and four others at a strange institution called the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tennessee. The Highlander Folk School was a Communist front, having been founded by Myles Horton (Communist Party organizer for Tennessee) and Don West (Communist Party organizer for North Carolina). The leaders of this meeting with King were the aforementioned Horton and West, along with Abner Berry and James Dumbrowski, all open and acknowledged members of the Communist Party, USA. The agenda of the meeting was a plan to tour the Southern states to initiate demonstrations and riots.
    From 1955 to 1960, Martin Luther King’s associate, advisor, and personal secretary was one Bayard Rustin. In 1936 Rustin joined the Young Communist League at New York City College. Convicted of draft-dodging, he went to prison for two years in 1944. On January 23, 1953 the “Los Angeles Times” reported his conviction and sentencing to jail for 60 days for lewd vagrancy and homosexual perversion. Rustin attended the 16th Convention of the Communist Party, USA in February, 1957. One month later, he and King founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, or SCLC for short. The president of the SCLC was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The vice-president of the SCLC was the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth, who was also the president of an identified Communist front known as the Southern Conference Educational Fund, an organization whose field director, a Mr. Carl Braden, was simultaneously a national sponsor of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, of which you may have heard. The program director of the SCLC was the Reverend Andrew Young, in more recent years Jimmy Carter’s ambassador to the UN and mayor of Atlanta. Young, by the way, was trained at the Highlander Folk School, previously mentioned.
    Soon after returning from a trip to Moscow in 1958, Rustin organized the first of King’s famous marches on Washington. The official organ of the Communist Party, “The Worker,- – openly declared the march to be a Communist project. Although he left King’s employ as secretary in 1961, Rustin was called upon by King to be second in command of the much larger march on Washington which took place on August 28, 1963.
    Bayard Rustin’s replacement in 1961 as secretary and advisor to King was Jack O’Dell, also known as Hunter Pitts O’Dell. According to official records, in 1962 Jack O’Dell was a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party, USA. He had been listed as a Communist Party member as early as 1956. O’Dell was also given the job of acting executive director for SCLC activities for the entire Southeast, according to the St. Louis “Globe-Democrat – -of October 26, 1962. At that time, there were still some patriots in the press corps, and word of O’Dell’s party membership became known.
    What did King do? Shortly after the negative news reports, King fired O’Dell with much fanfare. And he then, without the fanfare, “immediately hired him again- – as director of the New York office of the SCLC, as confirmed by the “Richmond News-Leader – -of September 27, 1963. In 1963 a Black man from Monroe, North Carolina named Robert Williams made a trip to Peking, China. Exactly 20 days before King’s 1963 march on Washington, Williams successfully urged Mao Tse-Tung to speak out on behalf of King’s movement. Mr. Williams was also around this time maintaining his primary residence in Cuba, from which he made regular broadcasts to the southern US, three times a week, from high-power AM transmitters in Havana under the title “Radio Free Dixie.” In these broadcasts, he urged violent attacks by Blacks against White Americans.
    During this period, Williams wrote a book entitled “Negroes With Guns.” The writer of the foreword for this book? None other than Martin Luther King, Jr. It is also interesting to note that the editors and publishers of this book were to a man all supporters of the infamous Fair Play for Cuba Committee.
    According to King’s biographer and sympathizer David J. Garrow, “King privately described himself as a Marxist.” In his 1981 book, “The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr.”, Garrow quotes King as saying in SCLC staff meetings, “…we have moved into a new era, which must be an era of revolution…. The whole structure of American life must be changed…. We are engaged in the class struggle.”
    Jewish Communist Stanley Levison can best be described as King’s behind-the-scenes “handler.” Levison, who had for years been in charge of the secret funnelling of Soviet funds to the Communist Party, USA, was King’s mentor and was actually the brains behind many of King’s more successful ploys. It was Levison who edited King’s book, “Stride Toward Freedom.” It was Levison who arranged for a publisher. Levison even prepared King’s income tax returns! It was Levison who really controlled the fund-raising and agitation activities of the SCLC. Levison wrote many of King’s speeches. King described Levison as one of his “closest friends.”
    FBI: King Bought Sex With SCLC Money
    The Federal Bureau of Investigation had for many years been aware of Stanley Levison’s Communist activities. It was Levison’s close association with King that brought about the initial FBI interest in King.
    Lest you be tempted to believe the controlled media’s lie about “racists” in the FBI being out to “get” King, you should be aware that the man most responsible for the FBI’s probe of King was Assistant Director William C. Sullivan. Sullivan describes himself as a liberal, and says that initially “I was one hundred per cent for King…because I saw him as an effective and badly needed leader for the Black people in their desire for civil rights.” The probe of King not only confirmed their suspicions about King’s Communist beliefs and associations, but it also revealed King to be a despicable hypocrite, an immoral degenerate, and a worthless charlatan.
    According to Assistant Director Sullivan, who had direct access to the surveillance files on King which are denied the American people, King had embezzled or misapplied substantial amounts of money contributed to the “civil rights” movement. King used SCLC funds to pay for liquor, and numerous prostitutes both Black and White, who were brought to his hotel rooms, often two at a time, for drunken sex parties which sometimes lasted for several days. These types of activities were the norm for King’s speaking and organizing tours.
    In fact, an outfit called The National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis, Tennessee, which is putting on display the two bedrooms from the Lorraine Motel where King stayed the night before he was shot, has declined to depict in any way the “occupants – -of those rooms. That “according to exhibit designer Gerard Eisterhold “would be “close to blasphemy.” The reason? Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spent his last night on Earth having sex with two women at the motel and physically beating and abusing a third.
    Sullivan also stated that King had alienated the affections of numerous married women. According to Sullivan, who in 30 years with the Bureau hadáseen everything there was to be seen of the seamy side of life, King was one of only seven people he had ever encountered who was such a total degenerate.
    Noting the violence that almost invariably attended King’s supposedly “non-violent” marches, Sullivan’s probe revealed a very different King from the carefully crafted public image. King welcomed members of many different Black groups as members of his SCLC, many of them advocates and practitioners of violence. King’s only admonition on the subject was that they should embrace “tactical nonviolence.”
    Sullivan also relates an incident in which King met in a financial conference with Communist Party representatives, not knowing that one of the participants was an infiltrator actually working for the FBI.
    J. Edgar Hoover personally saw to it that documented information on King’s Communist connections was provided to the President and to Congress. And conclusive information from FBI files was also provided to major newspapers and news wire services. But were the American people informed of King’s real nature? No, for even in the 1960s, the fix was in “the controlled media and the bought politicians were bound and determined to push their racial mixing program on America. King was their man and nothing was going to get in their way. With a few minor exceptions, these facts have been kept from the American people. The pro-King propaganda machine grinds on, and it is even reported that a serious proposal has been made to add some of King’s writings as a new book in the Bible.
    Ladies and gentlemen, the purpose of this radio program is far greater than to prove to you the immorality and subversion of this man called King. I want you to start to think for yourselves. I want you to consider this: What are the forces and motivation behind the controlled media’s active promotion of King? What does it tell you about our politicians when you see them, almost without exception, falling all over themselves to honor King as a national hero? What does it tell you about our society when any public criticism of this moral leper and Communist functionary is considered grounds for dismissal? What does it tell you about the controlled media when you see how they have successfully suppressed the truth and held out a picture of King that can only be described as a colossal lie? You need to think, my fellow Americans. You desperately need to wake up.
    Sources:
    1. The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr.- – (an official publication of the Martin Luther King Center for Nonviolent Social Change).
    2. “King’s Plagiarism: Imitation, Insecurity and Transformation,” The Journal of American History, June 1991, p. 87) David J. Garrow
    3. New York Times” of October 11, 1991, page 15.
    4. “The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr.”, David J. Garrow, (1981).
    5. “And the walls came tumbling down,” Rev. Ralph Abernathy (1989)
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  6. Texano78704 said:

    “Having to hire, promote or advance anyone based solely on their ethnicity is nothing more than racism in its purist form.”
    For which, George W. Bush could easily be the poster boy of “White Affirmative Action.”
    The issue is not obtaining “true equality” or a “level playing field” any more than it is about “equal opportunity.”
    White elites love the term “equal opportunity.” It gives everyone the illusion that something is being done (and other whites something to rail about). They love it because it does not change the outcome of anything.
    You can talk about the end of Jim Crow laws, how the Civil Right Act supposedly ended school segregation, or how Brown v. Board of Education did away with separate and unequal schools.
    All those “unlevel playing fields” were replaced with new ones, new government institutions of apartheid. The so-called “war on drugs” has nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with repression of minorities.
    Without a change in outcome, there is nothing affirmative and certainly no action.

  7. Peaceful Protester said:

    “…All men are created equal…”
    - Source: Declaration of Independence (1776)
    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.” – Complete quote
    These words were written by ‘white aristocrats’ that owned ‘black slaves’.
    They knew full well that they never fully intended to meet the obligations of the contractual agreement that they had entered into as they later signed the Constitution, a ‘contractual agreement’ defining obligations between individuals and the state.
    …After 200+ years of institutionalized racism, its nice to see that we as a nation are doing something, anything, to pay reparations to the very people once considered property.

  8. Liquidmicro said:

    Why is it you people pick and choose what you perceive to be beneficial to your cause? Here Peaceful Protestor is the beginning to the Declaration of Independence:
    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
    Don’t take this document out of context or try to use it for something that it was not intended for.

  9. Evelyn said:

    Gina said:
    AFFIRMATIVE ACTION …
    Minority groups demand special treatment,
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    NO, they demand EQUAL treatment.
    ~~
    Equality should be equal for all Americans.
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    I agree, if it was we wouldent need programs like AA, activists and advocates for justice and equality and organizations like NAACP, or NCLR. If we could rid ourselves of racism it would be a big help.
    ~~~
    We should not provide favoritism for any specific group, but we should provide equal opportunities for all.
    E
    Again I agree. That was tried for many years but didnt work. Minorities were left out of many opportunities at alarming rates. The cure, AA.
    ~~
    When we provide affirmative action, it’s always at the cost of someone else.
    In addition, when we provide millions of illegal immigrants health, education, and other services, it puts a huge drain on American citizens.
    E
    I have seen many racist sites smearing immigrants with this type propaganda. It is my understanding that with taxes paid by immigrants the costs of these programs are paid in full and their are still monies left over.
    The Immigration Policy Center of the American Immigration Law Foundation has published a fact sheet ( It’s Tax Time! Immigrants and Taxes ) finding that immigrants to the U.S. in fact pay their fair share of taxes–income taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes.
    The fact sheet is based in large part on a soon to be released report for IPC by Stephen Moore, Senior Economics Writer at the Wall Street Journal and former director of Fiscal Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, and Richard Vedder, Distinguished Professor of Economics at Ohio University. Moore and Vedder find that immigrants not only pay their share of taxes, but they help shore up the Social Security system. They also provide a fiscal windfall to U.S. taxpayers because many come to the United States during their prime working years–after the costs of their education and upbringing have been borne by their home countries.
    Tax Day would seem to be an appropriate time to inject some bottom-line reality into the long-running debate over whether or not immigrants in the U.S. “pay their own way” as taxpayers. As with nearly all aspects of the immigration debate, the controversy over how immigrants impact the public treasury is far too often dominated by emotionally charged rhetoric rather than hard facts. Many of these much-needed facts are provided in a forthcoming report from the Immigration Policy Center by Stephen Moore, Senior Economics Writer at the Wall Street Journal and former director of Fiscal Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, and Richard Vedder, Distinguished Professor of Economics at Ohio University. Using data from the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2005 Current Population Survey and other sources, Moore and Vedder find that immigrants not only pay their own way in taxes, but play a hefty role in shoring up the teetering Social Security system, and provide a fiscal windfall to U.S. taxpayers by tending to come to the United States during their prime working years-after the costs of their education and upbringing have been borne by their home countries.
    Among the report’s findings:
    Immigrant Households and Businesses Generate Billions: In 2005, immigrant households and businesses paid approximately $300 billion in federal, state, and local taxes: $165 billion in federal income taxes, $85 billion in state and local income taxes, and $50 billion in business taxes.
    Immigrants Pay More in Taxes Than They Use in Services Over Their Lifetimes: Depending on skills and level of education, each immigrant pays, on average, between $20,000 and $80,000 more in taxes than he or she consumes in public benefits.
    http://www.aollatinoblog.com/2008/04/14/do-immigrants-pay-their-fair-share-of-taxes-you-bet-they-do/
    ~~~
    E
    I guess the study included in the article I provided above left the rest of your article in limbo. If you still think you can provide credible proof from a non racist site that your statement is true please do. I will be happy to look at it as I have not been able to find any.
    ~~
    That’s why California is now proposing a drastic cut in salaries to state employees. For some time now, our public schools have dumbed down their instruction to all students, in order to accommodate students who can’t keep up. This has resulted in American students ranking around 17th in academics compared to kids in other countries. The trend by the left is political correctness, which means pandering to the lowest common denominator. This doesn’t bode well for the future of America.

  10. Evelyn said:

    Frank :
    Michaela, glad you can see what is really going on in here. I don’t post negative articles or lies about legal or illegal Hispanics even though I am falsely accused of it by her. The Congressional Budget Office (a government source) has already stated that illegal immigration is a negative to our country. I am called a racist anyway even though I mostly only argue from the rule of law point of view. She hates all whites that don’t agree with her views and can’t debate civilly. All she has is the race card and her vile insults. If I were Marisa I would throw her off this blog for those kinds of tactics.
    { It doesn’t make her blog look good}
    E
    HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! ROTFLMAO!
    VERY VERY FUNNY!
    HA! HA! HA!
    NO, the truth doesent make YOU look good! LOL!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Michaela:
    Franks said, “Care to explain how people like you are granting the rest of America freedom of speech? It is guaranteed by our Constitution. Did you write it?”
    I don’t quite understand Evelyn’s hostility. As you say Frank, our freedom of speech is guaranteed by our Constitution. I almost get the feeling Evelyn thinks SHE is doing us some great favor by ALLOWING us to exercise our first amendment right to freedom of speech. I notice you have been accused of being hostile here, but frankly, the depth of the hatred Evelyn seems to have for Americans (just white Americans?) is very distressing to me.
    Michaela said
    “the depth of the hatred Evelyn seems to have for Americans (just white Americans?) is very distressing to me.”
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    There are many people who dont have a voice. Just like all the other advocates and activest I AM THEIR VOICE AND PROUD OF IT TOO.
    Are you racist because then I can understand how that could be distressing to you?
    I dont hate white Americans. I am 1/2 white (Irish) to be exact.
    Have you ever heard of a racist group called “You Dont Speak For Me” They are all racist Hispanics. There is also the Mexica Movement all Hispanics.
    I dont agree with their “all white Americans should be repatriated to Europe.
    That is just as stupid and racist as wanting to send back immigrants who have set down roots in America, and have American citizen families.
    That would hurt people and children would suffer most.
    I believe people should be able to live in peace. They should all get along regardless of skin color.
    Racism is what I hate and I think racist need to be stopped no matter what color their skin is. Hitler was able to do what he did because no one stopped him.
    When people in America (racist) select a group of people they dont like, Demonize them by lying to exclude them from being able to do what their own ancestors did, goes against everything this country stands for.
    That exclusion goes against Our constution and the very fabric of our nation.
    Many mistakes have been made in building this country to the greatness she is today. Why do we have to repeat those same mistakes all over again?
    The founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves if they knew that racists want to destroy the very rights that so many Americans have given their lives for. Justice equality and freedom.

  11. Frank said:

    “There are many people who dont have a voice. Just like all the other advocates and activest I AM THEIR VOICE AND PROUD OF IT TOO.”
    You are the voice for illegal alien lawbreakers. My what a noble cause!
    “Are you racist because then I can understand how that could be distressing to you?”
    Everyone is a racist according to Evelyn, if they oppose illegal immigration.
    “I dont hate white Americans. I am 1/2 white (Irish) to be exact.”
    She is just another guilt ridden, self-hating white who actually only identifies with her un-white side. Believes that whites should pay eternally for what some other whites did in the past. Thinks it justifies illegal immigration into our country today.
    “Have you ever heard of a racist group called “You Dont Speak For Me” They are all racist Hispanics. There is also the Mexica Movement all Hispanics.”
    Those like her will even eat their own if they aren’t ethnocentric racists like herself. But instead calls them racists when they clearly are not.
    “I dont agree with their “all white Americans should be repatriated to Europe.”
    Oh, but she throws the fact that the first people who came over here from Europe were white and the native indians were defeated, into our faces every chance she gets. Even though none of us whites were alive back then.
    “That is just as stupid and racist as wanting to send back immigrants who have set down roots in America, and have American citizen families.”
    No it isn’t racist nor stupid. It is illegal aliens that should go home not immigrants. It is the law! If they set down roots illegally in this country that is their problem. They still have homeland that they are a citizen of and they can take their U.S. citizen children with them if they so choose. Their citizenship shouldn’t be used as leverage for the illegal parents to stay HERE with their kids.
    “That would hurt people and children would suffer most.”
    They did it to themselves. I am sure when American citizens have to go to jail for a crime it hurts them and their children also. But it is about personal accountability by following the laws. If you don’t you pay the consquences.
    “I believe people should be able to live in peace. They should all get along regardless of skin color.”
    I have no argument with that. Illegal immigration however isn’t about skin color and when you break the law peace isn’t on the horizon for you.
    “Racism is what I hate and I think racist need to be stopped no matter what color their skin is. Hitler was able to do what he did because no one stopped him.”
    Then why do you practice racism yourself? You hate every white person who doesn’t agree with your views. You also hate them because of the past. I have read more racist comments from you about white people than I have ever read about any one of color. What the hell has Hitler to do with any of this? You seem to advocate the genocide of white people out of this country and favor illegal aliens of the brown color. Doesn’t that make you a brown Hitler then?
    “When people in America (racist) select a group of people they dont like, Demonize them by lying to exclude them from being able to do what their own ancestors did, goes against everything this country stands for.”
    Who the hell is selecting a group by race that they don’t like? There are illegal aliens of many races in this country. It doesn’t matter what set of stats you choose to believe about them,the bottom line is that they are here illegally and that is really all that matters. Our own ancestors didn’t come here illegally so THERE IS NO COMPARISON! FYI, this country stands for the rule of law and legal immigration not lawlessness and illegal immigration. Are you really this dense!
    “That exclusion goes against Our constution and the very fabric of our nation.”
    Our constitution does not nullify our right to have immigration laws and to enforce them!
    “Many mistakes have been made in building this country to the greatness she is today. Why do we have to repeat those same mistakes all over again?”
    Oh pray tell us of all those mistakes our country has made and don’t mention any positives because it is beneath you to do that. What mistakes are we repeating?
    “The founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves if they knew that racists want to destroy the very rights that so many Americans have given their lives for. Justice equality and freedom.”
    Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves knowing that we have allowed millions and millions of illegal aliens into our country who are basically hostile to us and have an axe to grind and want to replace our culture, language and take over politically. They would also be turning in their graves at the number of ethnocentric traitors we have living among us now who think more of the ciitzens of another country who just happen to be ethnically like themselves rather than their own country and it’s citizens. Or how they are trying to twist our Constitution to fit their agenda. We still justice, equality and freedom. That hasn’t changed but their are limits to it for foreign invaders and rightly so!

  12. Evelyn said:

    Thank you for the wonderful display of hate and virulent racism you so greedily defend.
    It is absolutely splendid. You have done a wonderful job of showing the world what kind of mentality people behind hate of Hispanic immigrants have.
    You have almost out done the man that shot up the church in Tennessee on Sunday.
    YOU’VE BEEN EXPOSED!

  13. Frank said:

    What the hell are you talking about? There wasn’t a damn thing racist in my post. It was all the truth about you and your ilk’s racism and agendas. YOU AND THOSE LIKE YOU ARE THE ONES WHO WERE EXPOSED!!

  14. Evelyn said:

    I dont care what you think. I am just going to sit back and let the American people decide for themselves. LOL!
    Thanks again for contributing to the demise of racism.

  15. arturo fernandez said:

    The time and energy educated Hispanics spend on pleading for, defending, affirmative action policies should be time spent with kids at schools tutoring math, reading, and science. That’ll do a great deal more for them.

  16. Michaela said:

    Peaceful Protester :
    These words were written by ‘white aristocrats’ that owned ‘black slaves’.
    How do you know that for sure? Maybe these “white aristocrats” were the ones fighting to END slavery in our country.
    Peaceful Protester :After 200+ years of institutionalized racism, its nice to see that we as a nation are doing something, anything, to pay reparations to the very people once considered property.”
    Americans today do not have to make reparations for events that happened over 200 years ago. That is asinine. Aren’t you aware that many Africans were sold into slavery by their OWN people?? Also, many Arabs owned African slaves during that time. Should todays African Americans be making reparation then, well I guess so according to your logic.

  17. Michaela said:

    Michaela said
    “the depth of the hatred Evelyn seems to have for Americans (just white Americans?) is very distressing to me.”
    Evelyn
    Are you racist because then I can understand how that could be distressing to you?”
    What? I am not racist and seriously you need to quit throwing that word around so much Evelyn. It is childish. What distresses me is YOUR “painfully” obvious RACISM towards whites.
    Evelyn
    Have you ever heard of a racist group called “You Dont Speak For Me” They are all racist Hispanics.”
    I can think of no other reason for you to call these Hispanic Americans racist other than they do not agree with YOUR views on illegal immigration. Everyone who does not agree with you on illegal immigration is a racist! Grow up Evelyn.
    I am just curious and I doubt you will answer this question but do you consider Mexicans “racist” because they have laws against illegal immigration. If I, as a white person, were to cross into Mexico illegally in violation of their immigration laws and then called them racist for simply enforcing their own laws, they would laugh at me and then promptly kick my white behind right back over their border. Come on Evelyn, you are not thinking rationally or empathtically.

  18. Evelyn said:

    Michaela said
    What? I am not racist and seriously you need to quit throwing that word around so much Evelyn. It is childish. What distresses me is YOUR “painfully” obvious RACISM towards whites.
    E
    What do you want me to call a person that hates anything associated with a certain group of people.
    What should I call an individual that want to exclude the same group of people from entering or living in a country that their own ancestors invaded and massacred the people who lived in that country to make room for themselves and other people who looked like them.
    What should I call a person who is so obsessed with excluding a certain group of people from this country that they are willing to make up lies to demonize the people they want excluded so others will follow their agenda of exclusion for said group.
    I could go on and on but I wont because I am shure by now you understand.
    ~~
    What distresses me is YOUR “painfully” obvious RACISM towards whites
    E
    Show me proof of this racism you accuse me of.
    Americas history is full of mistakes comitted by white Americans that no one is proud of. Most white people dont want to talk about those mistakes. It doesent mean they didnt happen, or that they are lies.
    If reminding people of those mistakes can keep them from repeating the same mistakes again. I have no qualms about posting them.
    If that is proof of what you call “”painfully” obvious RACISM towards whites,” then I must admit I think you are confused or dont understand the meaning of racism. I am posting an article giving an excellent description of racism below.
    ~~~
    I can think of no other reason for you to call these Hispanic Americans racist other than they do not agree with YOUR views on illegal immigration.
    E
    It is not I who call them racist, I have never had the displeasure of meeting with one of these pathetic self hating creatures.
    I dont know why they would allow themselves to be used by racists to further an agenda of hate.
    Maybe they are being paid. That could be likely because some are members of the same family. That group only has about a dozen members.
    Here are the experts that study these groups and what they say.
    You Don’t Speak for Me!”
    From SourceWatch
    “You Don’t Speak for Me!” is a Hispanic-American coalition organized by Dan Stein, president of the “anti-illegal immigration” [1] Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), Fox News reported May 1, 2006.
    ~~~
    Everyone who does not agree with you on illegal immigration is a racist!
    E
    Those are your words not mine. Because you are new here you are not aware that the issue we are discussing has been discussed before.
    There are several people in this forum and other forums where I post, who are of different ethnicities and dont agree with me that unotherized immigrants should be put on a path to citizenship.
    They think immigrants should be deported. These people are somewhat like you……I believe.
    They never demonize immigrants. They dont hate all things Hispanic. They dont make up lies to smear hispanics so others will follow what they believe. They dont belittle Immigrants or Mexicans.
    I have not witnessed you do those things either. So I assume you dont.
    Many of these people are white and they are not basing their views on hate for any individual group. I dont believe these people are racists even though our views on immigration differ.
    It is racism that I reject. Not views that differ with mine.
    ~~~
    I am just curious and I doubt you will answer this question but do you consider Mexicans “racist” because they have laws against illegal immigration.
    E
    No, I do not consider any Mexicans, Americans, Chinese, Peruvians, or French or any other nationality to be racist for any reason. Racism is based on a persons individual behavior. It is not a trait that can be inherited along with a nationality.
    ~~~
    I, as a white person, were to cross into Mexico illegally in violation of their immigration laws and then called them racist for simply enforcing their own laws, they would laugh at me and then promptly kick my white behind right back over their border.
    E
    I am sure they would, and rightly so. They might even suggest YOU are the racist for suggesting a whole group of people is inflicted with ideas that can only be learned not inherited.
    If you are suggesting that is what I am doing. It is you who you are not thinking rationally or empathetical.
    ~~~
    you need to quit throwing that word around so much Evelyn. It is childish
    Grow up Evelyn.
    E
    I see you have a need to mother and nurture someone. May I suggest you have a baby.
    I already have a mother and even she never felt a need to talk to me that way. You see I was raised by my Native American grandmother and learned at early age what respect for all things living was and what type behavior was expected of me.

  19. Evelyn said:

    Racism”
    by Ayn Rand
    _____
    Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage — the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.
    Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical forces beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas — or of inherited knowledge — which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of anmials, but not between animals and men.
    Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.
    The respectable family that supports worthless relatives or covers up their crimes in order to “protect the family name” (as if the moral stature of one man could be damaged by the actions of another) — the bum who boasts that his great-grandfather was an empire-builder, or the small-town spinster who boasts that her maternal great-uncle was a state senator and her third-cousin gave a concert at Carnegie Hall (as if the achievements of one man could rub off on the mediocrity of another) — the parents who search genealogical trees in order to evaluate their prospective sons-in-law — the celebrity who starts his autobiography with a detailed account of his family history — all these are samples of racism, the atavvistic manifestations of a doctrine whose full expression is the tribal warfare of prehistorical savages, the wholesale slaughter of Nazi Germany, the atrocities of today’s so-called “newly-emerging nations.”
    The theory that holds “good blood” and “bad blood” as a moral-intellectual criterion, can lead to nothing but torrents of blood in practice. Brute force is the only avenue of action open to men who regard themselves as mindless aggregates of chemicals.
    Modern racists attempt to prove the superiority or inferiority of a given race by the historical achievements of some of its members. The frequent historical spectacle of a great innovator who, in his lifetime, is jeered, denounced, obstructed, persecuted by his countrymen, and then, a few years after his death, is enshrined in a national monument and hailed as a proof of greatness of the German (or French or Italian or Cambodian) race — is as revolting a spectacle of collectivist expropriation, perpetrated by racists, as any expropriation of material wealth perpetrated by communists.
    Just as there is no such thing as a collective or racial mind, so there is no such thing as a collective or racial achievement. There are only individual minds and individual achievements — and a culture is not the anonymous product of undifferentiated masses, but the sum of the intellectual achievements of individual men.
    Even if it were proved — which it is not — that the incidence of men of potentially superior brain power is greater among the members of certain races than among the members of others, it would still tell us nothing about any given individual and it would be irrelevant to one’s judgment of him. A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race — and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin. It is hard to say which is the more outrageous injustice: the claim of Southern racists that a Negro genius should be treated as inferior because his race has “produced” some brutes — or the claim of a German brute to the status of a superior because his race has “produced” Goethe, Schiller and Brahms.
    These are not two different claims, of course, but two applications of the same basic premise. The question of whether one alleges the superiority or the inferiority of any given race is irrelevant; racism has only one psychological root: the racist’s sense of his own inferiority.
    Like every other form of collectivism, racism is a quest for the unearned. It is a quest for automatic knowlege — for an automatic evaluation of men’s characters that bypasses the responsibility of exercising rational or moral judgment — and, above all, a quest for an automatic self-esteem (or pseudo-self-esteem).
    To ascribe one’s virtues to one’s racial origin, is to confess that one has no knowledge of the process by which virtues are acquired and, most often, that one has failed to acquire them. The overwhelming majority of racists are men who have earned no sense of personal identity, who can claim no individual achievement or distinction, and who seek the illusion of a “tribal self-esteem” by alleging the inferiority of some other tribe. Observe the hysterical intensity of the Southern racists; observe also that racism is much more prevalent among the poor white trash than among their intellectual betters.
    read more
    http://freedomkeys.com/ar-racism.htm

  20. Evelyn said:

    The following is a mild example of a racist rant.
    Racism Racism Racism, the same old lame accusation of the pro-illegal immigration groups to intimidate the majority of us, the American citizens every time we speak up. So what do we do about it? Nothing !!!
    Is their any politician remaining in this country that have any guts, that can stand up for the American people that really represents us against the illegal invasion of our country? Unfortunately not even a handful. Why? Because they are all afraid, yes, afraid of being called racist, can you believe it? So pathetic.
    So lets understand that, if taking a position against illegal immigration, against the trashing of our country, against the deterioration of our schools, the closure of our emergency rooms, the crowding of our freeways, the takeover of entry level jobs by illegals and the abuse of our welfare system, makes a person a racist, so I confess, I may qualify, but, I’m not afraid to say it like those politicians, you know why? Because I know deep inside me that I’ m not, I’m so far from being a racist, and I’m not intimidated by stupid accusations from people that have no other defense to their illegal activities than calling people names and accusing them with racism.
    We live in a time that political correctness is taking over our lives, you cannot say that, you cannot do this; you cannot speak out what’s on your mind because it might offend that person or this group or this or that.
    This over sensitivity is destroying us, little by little, we are going to lose our country if we do not wake up and realize the nonsense we put ourselves in. We are the only country in the world that takes political correctness to the extreme. We are willing to tolerate criminal behavior in exchange for not being called racist; we are willing to go to the extreme to prove that we are sensitive.
    There are about 10,000 people crossing our southern borders on a daily basis, and what is our government doing about it? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Don’t be fooled much by all those bills passed by the house and the senate recently, it is all an election year stunt. That does not mean that there are not some real patriots among our politicians, but there are a very tiny minority. For years now this congress and the president failed us miserably when it comes to securing our borders, and yes I’m not afraid of saying specifically our southern borders with Mexico, no political correctness here, I don’t see an invasion from the north do you?
    I know a lot of you live in states and towns that are not affected much by the illegal immigration problem for now, but I can assure you, with this rate of spreading, it is moving your way and will affect you very soon, you will see. Soon this problem will no longer be affecting only Border States, but every state in the Union. Soon you people in Oklahoma, Montana, Nebraska, the Carolinas the Dakotas and Wisconsin among others, will wake up one day and find your street signs in both English and Spanish, your emergency rooms being forced to shutdown due to abuse by non paying uninsured illegals, your kids at school faced with gang violence, your property value depreciate due to neighborhood deterioration, and your Radio stations and commercials switching from English to Spanish. Is that what you want? Is it worth being so sensitive and afraid to speak your mind?
    On Thursday October 26th 2006 President bush is supposed to sign the border fence bill passed by the Senate last month into law, Lets hope so, although honestly it does not mean much, I think it is all a big political game on the expense of the American people just before the November 7th elections, a 700 Miles fence sounds like a great idea, but when if at all it will be built is uncertain, please lets keep the pressure on our elected officials to do the right thing, not the most sensitive thing not the politically correct thing, but the best thing for the American people, the American Citizens of this country, no matter what race color or Ethnicity they are. The best thing for America.
    ~~~~~~~~
    The first clue that the author is racist comes with the use of the words “pro-illegal immigration groups” when referring to people who want the immigration problem fixed with CIR. No person or group that I know of wants to keep illegal immigration going. These words are a warning to me that this person is probably a member of any one of a hundred groups that are actually the same as KKK, but have changed name for obvious reasons. MM, SOS, ALI PAC, etc.
    The following sentence tells me for shure the author is racist. Even though unauthorized immigrants come in all colors and from many different nations the fact that he zeros in on only the southern border and only Mexicans are mentioned seals his show of racism. He cannot see any of the thousands of Canadian, British, Itilian, German, Irish, or Russian illegal immigrants that are around him every day because they look like him. But he sees all Mexicans as illegal aliens. He also thinks Mexicans are to blame for the following:
    “trashing of our country, against the deterioration of our schools, the closure of our emergency rooms, the crowding of our freeways, the takeover of entry level jobs by illegals and the abuse of our welfare system” “criminal behavior” ” will wake up one day and find your street signs in both English and Spanish, your emergency rooms being forced to shutdown due to abuse by non paying uninsured illegals, your kids at school faced with gang violence, your property value depreciate due to neighborhood deterioration, and your Radio stations and commercials switching from English to Spanish”

  21. Michaela said:

    That person is entitled to their “racist” rant just as your are Evelyn. And you definitely do a lot of racist ranting and please don’t deny it for you know it is true.
    E
    I see you have a need to mother and nurture someone. May I suggest you have a baby.
    Pretty childish comment there Eve. You don’t need mothering. What you DO need though is to learn from the past, quit blaming and move on. You need to learn that YOU are not the only person/race that has suffered and will continue to suffer in this very cruel world we live in. My race has also suffered tremendously throughout the course of history. I do not blame the people alive today for the atrocities done to my people in the past.
    E
    You see I was raised by my Native American grandmother and learned at early age what respect for all things living was and what type behavior was expected of me.
    I’m not sure what you did learn from your grandmother other than to hate. I would like to think that the type of behavior she expected of you did not include constant whining, criticizing, and blaming white people for all the ills of the world. I suggest you read up on David Yeagley, a descendant of the Comanche Indians in this country. He has true insight, forgiveness in his heart for the atrocities committed against his people but also a recognition for the atrocities committed against others by HIS people too. You see, that is life…good and evil. He also considers himself a true American. Learn from him.

  22. Evelyn said:

    Saoir…I mean Michaela:said
    Pretty childish comment there Eve. You don’t need mothering. What you DO need though is to learn from the past, quit blaming and move on. You need to learn that YOU are not the only person/race that has suffered and will continue to suffer in this very cruel world we live in. My race has also suffered tremendously throughout the course of history. I do not blame the people alive today for the atrocities done to my people in the past.
    E
    Show everyone where I said I had suffered?
    I dont blame anyone for anything. Historians do. I am not an Historian. I go by credible facts in books by credible authors that write books so we can gain knowledge.
    I was a privileged child my Grandmother was a teacher, principal, and went on to become superintendent of schools. She was an educated woman who loved me very much.
    My parents were also educated. Father was an Archaeologist and my mother had a masters degree in linguistics.
    They worked togather. In summer I joined them.
    I dont see this world as being cruel at all. The world is what one makes of it. In fact if you ever get to travel outside of the U.S. you will see how people here have it made. I aim to keep it that way.
    Racism is rampant right now it is fueling the immigration debate with misinformation, and lies. I am exposing the lies.
    I aim to keep our constution intact from those who want to hijack it to promote an agenda filled with hate targeting immigrants.
    Of all the evidence I have shown, be specific and show me what you think is untrue. It is not my fault the truth makes our country look bad.
    Most of it is due to racism and greed, not me. I will ask you again what specific issue that I have printed do you think is a lie or erroneous. Point it out to me and show why you think it’s untrue or incorrect.

  23. Michaela said:

    Evelyn
    I aim to keep our constution intact from those who want to hijack it to promote an agenda filled with hate targeting immigrants.
    Our Constitution is already intact, however, the people who are “trying” to hi-jack it for their own purposes are the immigration attorneys, Isabel Garcias and Janet Murguias who have infiltrated our country and are trying to destroy it.

  24. Michaela said:

    By the way Evelyn, you never did answer my quesion below. I would really like you to answer that question for me.
    Michaela
    I am just curious and I doubt you will answer this question but do you consider Mexicans “racist” because they have laws against illegal immigration. If I, as a white person, were to cross into Mexico illegally in violation of their immigration laws and then called them racist for simply enforcing their own laws, they would laugh at me and then promptly kick my white behind right back over their border.

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