You don’t have to be an “elite” political commentator to question Sarah Palin’s qualifications

LatinaLista — What does it say for a political team when the speech most anticipated is not the one delivered by the person at the top of the ticket?

Republican VP nominee Sarah Palin
(Source: NYTimes.com)
That’s pretty much the impression left with viewers last night before and after Sarah Palin delivered her acceptance speech. Even McCain’s surprise appearance seemed unnecessary — as if Sarah needed any help.
In all honesty, it was a speech expertly delivered, and somewhat enjoyable. The cutaways to her family were priceless and who could not help but smile watching her youngest daughter mother the baby by spit-flattening the baby’s hair?
Sarah Palin did an excellent job with her speech but delivering a speech crafted by speechwriters still isn’t a substitute for her lack of Washington political experience — no matter what the script says.
And even though Alaska is beyond the mainland boundaries, it’s not a no-man’s land where verifying the facts is an afterthought either. Before Palin gave the final approval on her speech, she should have clarified things herself rather than let her hometown newspaper have to set the record straight for her.
While Palin would like to think that her inexperience with how Washington works is not going to be a factor, as a nation we have only to go back 8 years to see when another governor, who actually was somewhat more familiar in Washington than Palin, said he was going to change DC because he was an outsider and could more easily represent the people’s interests.
Yet when reality hit home, the downfall was such that former supporters wrote tell-all books.
But why should we worry whether or not Palin has enough political experience? After all, what’s McCain really going to use his vice president for beyond ceremonial duties?
Well, when we’re talking about the oldest candidate for president potentially taking office, there is that chance, however slight but better odds than Joe Biden’s, that she could sit in the Oval Office.
And for someone who has pretty much lived a life secluded from, not just the rest of the world, but the other 48 states, it makes for a disturbing possibility.

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45 Comments

  1. EYES OF TEXAS said:

    Your paragraph three could have been started with Barak Obama instead of Sarah Palin and it would have been just as true.
    How often does a President make a decision on his own? Rarely is the correct answer because he is surrounded by advisors, specialists and committees that give him, or her, professional guidance. She is better qualified than Obama for the Oval Office because, like she said, she has had to take action on real issues that affected the people of Alaska. What has Obama ever done or said that made a rats ass to anyone? The answer you’re looking for is nuttin’.
    VP Palin is the future of politics in America and not the same ole Biden politics as usual. Give her the benefit of the doubt for now and it’s guaranteed you will become a big fan in weeks to come.

  2. Irma said:

    I think the Republicans got exactly what they wanted. A firecracker on stilettos.
    Unfortunately, Gov Palin is right ” community organizing is a lot like being a mayor , except without responsibilities.”
    Obama was a fool not to have picked Hilary. She would have had Sarah Palin as an appetizer and enjoyed. it. Now, all the
    Democrats have is Biden the champion of women’s rights.
    This is gonna be a catfight and unfortunately the Democrats sent their cat home.

  3. Irma said:

    Gee, I dont think traveling outside of your home state is something you can put on your CV when applying for the job of the Presidency. Alaska is very far away from
    the rest of the US. So, is Hawaii.
    I agree that youth is preferable to old age but McCain doenst look like he is about to keel over.
    VPs by the way are usually swept under the rug and taken out ocassionally . Bill
    Clinton was unique in actually putting his
    vice president to work on something important. Cheney has been out of commission for years due to poor health . Dan Qyayle was practically a ghost
    when he was VP, so was Bush Sr, and
    Hubert Humphrey (Carter’s vice president?) does anyone even remember him besides me?
    The VP, the second in line to the presidency has traditionally been the job no one wanted. Even JFK ignored LBJ, and confided instead with his brother
    RFK until Johnson was forced to assume the presidency.
    Why is Washington political experience such a prized asset now ? Didnt the
    Obama campaign make Washington experience a negative? Bill Clinton did a pretty good job – he was a Washington outsider. So did LBJ ,
    Public speaking skills are preferred but not necessary for the Presidency.
    Experience is – and this is something that Barak Obama does not have.

  4. Texano78704 said:

    “community organizing is a lot like being a mayor , except without responsibilities.”
    Last time I checked… Jesus of Nazareth was a community organizer and Pontius Pilot was a governor.

  5. Texano78704 said:

    Some chatter on Gov. Palin’s “qualifications.”
    “She’s the governor of our largest state.” Well, that’s a sure-fire winner for the Republicans. You see, the thing is that Alaska doesn’t have a lot of people, and Republicans don’t care much about people, so you can understand their obsession with square miles rather than population. Fewer people means lower unemployment numbers, lower below-poverty-line numbers, lower teen-age pregnancy numbers – and don’t go ruining the joke by pullin’ that per capita crap.
    “She has foreign policy experience because she’s lived between two foreign countries.” And while she hasn’t mastered Russian yet, I understand she does speak fluent Canadian as a result of the proximity.
    “Palin is a world traveler.” And don’t we all know it! Weren’t the newspapers full of stories about how she accomplished world peace during her stop-over in Ireland? Oh, sure, she wasn’t there a lengthy period of time – but how long does it take to buy one of those plastic Miss Congeniality trophies at the gift shop anyway?
    “She’s fully vetted.” Kinda like my cat, who sees the vet on a regular basis. The last visit lasted twenty minutes, and cost two hundred bucks. If the good doctor had been interviewing him for the VP job instead of giving him a flea treatment, my bill would have been half of what it was.
    “She’s a hockey mom!” With the intellect of a hockey puck. If the country really needed a self-serving, vengeful, clueless-but-arrogant idiot who is actually dumb enough to think they’re capable of running a country, she’d be perfect!
    “Her meteoric rise in politics rivals that of Obama’s.” Well, okay, if you leave out all of that stuff about running a flawless campaign, winning millions of votes in the primaries, drawing crowds of 200,000 people, garnering the respect of world leaders – yadda, yadda, yadda – you can hardly tell them apart!
    “She’s a fine Christian role model.” I know, I know – and I hear the National Enquirer will be doing a lengthy series on just how fine a Christian she’s been.
    “She’s knowledgeable enough to take on the vice presidency.” And I’m sure that as soon as someone answers her query as to “what a vice president actually does”, she’ll be on her way!
    “She’s tough and knows how to get things done.” Just ask her brother-in-law, and the guy who refused to fire him – they’ll tell you.

  6. laura said:

    Irma, I would like to submit the following for your consideration. You may personally dislike Senator Obama for whatever reason: because he did not choose Senator Clinton as his running mate, because his sport is basketball instead of bowling, because he has too eloquent expressions in his speeches, because he holds huge rallies, because he was never governor, because he is black …. whatever.
    But remember one simple fact: it’s him or John McCain. If Obama is not elected, McCain will be elected. McCain who wants to stay in Iraq (at $10 billion a month of our taxes), McCain who wants to bomb Iran which means start a third war, McCain whose chief economic adviser says the recession is in our heads and Americans are a nation of whiners, McCain who lives in such a cocoon of riches he doesn’t know how many houses he has, McCain who thinks President Bush’s economic policies are working.
    So, Irma, my friend, it is very simple: you don’t vote for Obama, you don’t ask every single one of your friends and family to vote for Obama, you are voting for McCain. You are helping McCain get elected.
    All those wonderfully principled people who voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 because they didn’t like Al Gore helped elect George W. Bush, though they continue denying it.
    I didn’t particularly like Al Gore back then. I happen to think that Obama is not the cat’s miaow.
    But I am 1000% convinced that a John McCain presidency would destroy the last remaining strengths and greatness of this country. If John McCain becomes president, you and I and all our kids and friends and relatives are roadkill.
    I am going to be campaigning for Obama for that very simple reason.
    You have a choice to make. Please make it carefully.

  7. Irma said:

    I will vote for a Democratic Congress and write in Hilary Clinton. A Democratic congress can OVERIDE the President
    on issues of law, Supreme Court Appointments and yes the BUDGET. I simply cannot vote for Sen Barak Obama. He is unfit to be president , even if he was purple, green or polka dot.
    I do not find his speeches eloquent.
    I grant that he can deliver a speech well, but so can others including Gov Sarah Palin. Oration is basically acting.
    I do not fear McCain’s presidency if there is a Democratic Congress to keep his
    conservative tendencies in check.
    It would be incredibly wrong however to give the Presidency to someone who is simply NOT QUALIFIED. Sen Barak Obamais not a legal scholar or a Professor, Scholars publish and Professors are not instructors. Sen Barak Obama has no publications with regard to the law and
    is NOT a Professor. It is rather odd that
    he has yet to set the record straight.
    Being President of the Harvard Law Review is not an academic achievement.
    It is an elected position – kind of like running for president of your class .
    He has never held an executive governmental elected office. He has spent most of his term in the Senate running for President.
    I cannot vote for John McCain – he is too far to the right. But I love my country too much to give the presidency to
    the wrong person.

  8. EYES OF TEXAS said:

    What are Barak Obamas qualifications to be Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. military forces? Nada, is the answer. He can not be trusted to make critical decisions concerning national security. In his own words he stated he would stand with his Muslim brothers and sisters during times of peril. Doesn’t sound like someone that would protect America until their last dying breath to me.
    True, we are living thru very dangerous time with the war in the Middle East, Iran and North Korea developing nukes and delivery systems and Russia doing its best to revive the former Soviet Union. America needs a President that will protect Americans by any means possible, not one that will tuck tail an rejoin his Muslim clan.

  9. Evelyn said:

    Van Halen, Heart, Others to GOP: Stop Using Our Songs!
    Posted by Dave Burdick, Huffington Post at 11:53 AM on September 5, 2008.
    GOP ignores copyrights, raises ire of multiple recording artists.
    This campaign season, Republicans have been using a lot of songs from artists who wouldn’t have given permission if asked, and some who have spoken up to ask that their songs not be used in the future.
    Here’s the No-Thanks-GOP playlist so far:
    Van Halen – Right Now
    Van Halen management tells us the band had no idea McCain was planning on using “Right Now” during his big entrance in Ohio telling us, “Permission was not sought or granted nor would it have been given.”
    Jackson Browne – Running on Empty
    If the whole episode strikes a nostalgic tone, it’s because famous musical artists and Republican presidential candidates have butted heads in the past. Bruce Springsteen publicly complained when Ronald Reagan used “Born in the U.S.A” during his campaign in 1984.
    Heart – Barracuda
    …the Wilsons condemned the usage, adding that Universal Music Publishing and Sony BMG have sent a cease-and-desist notice to the McCain-Palin campaign, according to CNN. “We have asked the Republican campaign publicly not to use our music,” the group said in a statement.
    Orleans – Still the One
    Proving that campaign vetting should extend beyond vice presidential contenders (or those vetting the potential veeps), McCain sparked the ire of the song’s co-writer, the founding member of Orleans and current New York congressman, John Hall.
    Frankie Valli – Can’t Take My Eyes Off Of You
    Warner Music Group (WMG) appears to have demanded that YouTube remove “Obama Love,” a montage of press fawning over Sen. Barack Obama that had been posted on Sen. John McCain’s official YouTube channel. “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Warner Music Group,” says a message on YouTube.

  10. Evelyn said:

    Eyes said
    America needs a President that will protect Americans by any means possible, not one that will tuck tail an rejoin his Muslim clan.
    E
    While we’re on the subject of Klans, did the grand wizard (or whatever it’s called these days) of the Texas Ku Klutz Klan organization you belong to help you make up all the discriminatory lies you conjure up about Obama or do you do that on your own?

  11. laura said:

    Irma – you puzzle me. You say about Barack Obama “He has never held an executive governmental elected office. He has spent most of his term in the Senate running for President.”
    So what kind of executive governmental elected office has Hillary Clinton, whom you want to write in, held?
    What exactly are Hillary Clinton’s accomplishments in the Senate, after moving to New York in 2000 so she could run for the Senate, in order to then run for President?
    You criticize Barack Obama’s professional achievements as a law professor, saying he has not published enough. So what are Hillary Clinton’s professional achievemnts that make her more qualified to be president? Where did she publish in her profession, which is law?
    What exactly does her experience, to qualify her to be president, consist of?
    Are you actually saying that being married to a man with executive power qualifies as experience?
    I really don’t want to see my gynecologist’s wife for my Pap smear. She has been married to him for decades, and a Pap smear is a very simple procedure, but I just don’t think she is qualified. That experience she got by listening to him tell her how hard he works is not quite what I am looking for.

  12. Texano78704 said:

    “True, we are living thru very dangerous time with the war in the Middle East, Iran and North Korea developing nukes and delivery systems and Russia doing its best to revive the former Soviet Union.”
    If true, (sounds more like hyperbole) then why should we support a Republican presidential candidate that promises more of the same of what you describe, which was brought to us by a Republican president?

  13. Irma said:

    Laura,
    The only viable choices for President this year that will count
    are two, McCain or Obama. I won’t vote for either – my reasons for doing so have been reiterated many times in this forum.
    Hilary was my preferred choice. I wont defend why I supported her – it won’t help her get any support now.
    Barak Obama is NOT a law professor.
    He is an instructor, this title means he got paid for each class he taught.
    Barak Obama has never published ANYTHING. To define him as a legal
    scholar, means therefore NOTHING.
    Getting a law degree doesnt make every lawyer in the US a legal scholar.
    Shame on you for attacking Hilary Clinton personally. She is not running for President. By the way, Hilary is not a nominee for a major party now, therefore effectively she is now DISQUALIFIED from being President in 2008.
    Barak Obama is a man who has inflated his record in a shameful way. So has John McCain in some ways.
    Neither will get my vote.
    One is a baby , the other is an old man.
    I will only vote for an adult for President.

  14. Evelyn said:

    Irma
    There was no way Obama and his camp could have picked Hilary
    for VP.
    I am positive they thought long and hard on this issue because she would have brought him landslide victory in presidential race. It could also have resulted in the cause of Obama’s death.
    The Clinton’s, especially her, are so ambitious they remove anything or anyone between them and what they want or, maybe this list is just a hoax. I havent had time to do any research on it.
    Can all these deaths be summed up to just mere coincidence?
    The following is a list of people connected with Bill Clinton who have died suddenly or under unusual Circumstances:
    Coincidence?
    James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement for refusing to testify as a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.
    Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
    Vince Foster – Former white House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
    Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
    C. Victor Raiser II – & – Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
    Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.
    Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
    Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
    James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
    James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater. Kathy Ferguson -Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere.
    Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible Corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
    Bill Shelton – Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
    Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
    THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
    Major William S. Barkley Jr.
    Captain Scott J. Reynolds
    Sgt. Brian Hanley
    Sgt. Tim Sabel
    Major General William Robertson
    Col. William Densberger
    Col. Robert Kelly
    Spec. Gary Rhodes
    Steve Willis
    Robert Williams
    Conway LeBleu
    Todd McKeehan
    There are more.
    The list was too long.
    http://home.earthlink.net/~mrnetwork/death.html

  15. laura said:

    Evelyn, I think we have to be careful not to repeat slanders against the Clintons that were cooked up by their right-wing enemies. I don’t know about this list, but it doesn’t sound right at all.
    My problem with Hillary Clinton is that she voted for the Iraq war and never apologized for that disastrous vote. However, all this is now less relevant since, as Irma says, Obama is now the Democratic nominee and Biden is his running mate.
    If we want four more years of Bush policies, we work and vote for McCain. If we don’t want four more years of Bush, we work and vote for Obama. It’s very simple.

  16. Michaela said:

    E
    While we’re on the subject of Klans, did the grand wizard (or whatever it’s called these days) of the Texas Ku Klutz Klan organization you belong to help you make up all the discriminatory lies you conjure up about Obama or do you do that on your own?
    Why are you always so petty Evelyn? Maybe we should ask you who are the grand wizards of your brown racist groups like Mexica, Maldelf, La Raza and MecHa? Do they influence your hate-filled anti-American tirades?

  17. Evelyn said:

    laura :
    Evelyn, I think we have to be careful not to repeat slanders against the Clintons that were cooked up by their right-wing enemies. I don’t know about this list, but it doesn’t sound right at all.
    E
    Like I said, I dont know if the list has merit or not.
    I havent had time to do any research, I do know that the Clintons (her) more, would do anything to be in the white house again.
    I think that is why she didnt leave Bill.

  18. Evelyn said:

    Michaela said
    Why are you always so petty Evelyn? Maybe we should ask you who are the grand wizards of your brown racist groups like Mexica, Maldelf, La Raza and MecHa? Do they influence your hate-filled anti-American tirades?
    E
    Couldn’t you conjure up a more credable WHOPPER! LOL!
    Show Proof! Where is the proof! Where does it say La Raza, Maldef, or Mecha are run by grand wizards or grand dragons wearing pointed dunce hats.
    Cant you get through 1 post without me being in it? HA! HA! HA!
    Talk about the biggest one that got away. LOL!
    I think this is just another fish story!

  19. Irma said:

    Evelyn,
    I dont understand why you expend energy spreading negative rumors about HRC.
    Hello? She is not running for president. I think it was a mistake for Obama not to pick her- Sarah Palin would not be on the Republican ticket, even
    antiObamites like me would have put a pin over their nose and yes, voted for Obama.
    But Obama decided he didnt want or need my my vote and you certainly are not trying to get it for him.
    Sarah Palin has a child with Down’s Syndrome. I have to say, this almost got to me.
    My late brother was retarded.
    But, after 10 seconds of reflection, I remain committed to not voting for anyone for President.
    Suppress your anti HRC
    feelings when you campaign on Obama’s behalf. There are 18 million of HRC supporters out there and some of them who SAY they will vote for him NOW, are
    LOOKING for a reason to change their mind.

  20. Thomas said:

    Wow Evelyn calling Eyes on Texas a klucker because she can’t debate his remarks. Knock it off with the race card girl. Doesn’t work anymore. I’m happy for Palin. At least she is a true concervative. Plus I wasn’t really thinking about voting till she came on the scene.

  21. laura said:

    Irma, I am worried that you are making a very serious miscalculation.
    You say it’s fine if McCain gets elected because a Democratic congress can override a Republican president.
    How much overriding of President Bush’s policies by the Democratic congress of the last two years did you see?
    The U.S. is still spending $10 billion a month – per month! – in Iraq. American soldiers – and Iraqi civilians – are still dying there. Labor laws, environmental protections, school budgets, state budgets to finance our infrastructure – are still being gutted. Gutted to the point that children have to bring their toilet paper to school.
    There is still no action whatsoever on making renewable energies available to Americans. We still rely on oil to heat out homes, and the heating fund for low-income people has been reduced more. This winter, many people will again be forced to decide between food, medicine, and heating their homes. The U.S. continues to be the largest per capita generator of greenhouse gases on the planet.
    All this while we had Republican president and a Democratic congress.
    Not only that – McCain voted for Bush’s proposals and policies 95% of the time. Maybe he was a maverick 10 years ago, but in his desire to become president, he threw all his independence and refusal to pander out the window a long time ago.
    He says he wants to bomb Iran – starting another war with a country that is now several times larger than Iraq. Do you think a Democratic congress would be able to stop him?
    He is an impulsive man with a hair-trigger temper, with no interest in the economy – his economic adviser, however, Phil Gramm, says Americans are a nation of whiners because we are hurting from financial insecurity. He will hurl Americans more deeply into financial desperation.
    If a Democratic congress were able to prevent that, they would have started preventing a few things over the last two years. For example, they would have prevented the mortgage meltdown – they would have said, no foreclosures of homes in which the borrowers are actually living, they would have given guidelines for the bank and borrower to renegotiate failing mortgages, and they would have legislated that the teaser, subprime mortgage interest rates would stay at their starting rates for the next 7 years.
    They did none of this because the leadership for drastic measures is supposed to come from the president, and because Bush would have vetoed anything his extreme-rich friends don’t like.
    McCain has the same friends. He has the same disinterest in middle class concerns because he himself has no experience whatsoever of those concerns. As you know, he lives the cushioned life of one who is not sure how many houses he has, and who has never had to learn to use a computer. McCain’s only interest is commanding an army that he can then send to fight more wars.
    Irma, I am very worried that your hope that a Democratic congress could prevent the worst disasters of a McCain presidency is very unrealistic. This country can’t afford more disasters. We are in serious serious trouble.
    While the most brilliant economist and diplomat rolled into one would have no quick fixes for our $73 trillion deficit – for the climate change we have already caused – for the frightening cheapening of human lives and human dignity that 8 years of Bush/Cheney have caused – we need someone who won’t pile more disasters on the ones we already have. McCain is reckless and trigger-happy, and he has no independent thought left, and no longer the mental capacity to understand what is going on in the world.
    For all his flaws, Barack Obama has two things that give me hope: he respects human life, and he is highly intelligent and capable of analytical thinking.
    Please reconsider, Irma, whether you can live with your conscience if you have not done what you can to prevent a McCain presidency. All of us have a small amount of responsibility. Our children and grandchildren will ask us – how could this happen?

  22. Evelyn said:

    Irma
    Did you miss the part where I said, ” maybe this list is just a hoax. I havent had time to do any research on it.”
    If even by adding that, you still think it was my intention to spreading negative rumors about HRC then I want to let you know it wasent.
    It was just something that came to mind because so many people were talking about it.

  23. Evelyn said:

    Thomas
    How well do you know Eyes? I have known him about 1 year.
    This remark got the exact debate answer it deserved!
    “America needs a President that will protect Americans by any means possible, not one that will tuck tail an rejoin his Muslim clan.”
    You know what they say, “Ask a stupid question you get a stupid answer”

  24. laura said:

    Irma, here is an example from today’s New York Times of what happens when a Democratic congress faces a Republican president.
    The Democrats have wanted to renew the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides health insurance to children of working parents who can’t afford private health insurance. The Republicans want no public health insurance for anyone, so President Bush has vetoed this program (which has been in existence since 1997).
    Now the newspaper writes:
    “WASHINGTON — Congressional Democrats have scrapped plans for another vote on expansion of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, thus sparing Republicans from a politically difficult vote just weeks before elections this fall.
    Skip to next paragraph
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    Doug Mills/The New York Times
    “We are not going to change any votes” on the health insurance bill, said Representative Rahm Emanuel, at right with Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Representative Steny H. Hoyer last fall.
    Before the summer recess, Democrats had vowed repeatedly to force another vote on the popular program. But Democrats say they have shifted course, after concluding that President Bush would not sign their legislation and that they could not override his likely veto.
    Mr. Bush vetoed two earlier versions of the legislation, which he denounced as a dangerous step toward “government-run health care for every American,” and the House sustained those vetoes.”
    The vast majority of Americans are in favor of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, yet a Democratic congress can’t pass it against the Republican president. Most certainly, McCain would veto this program as well because, as the Republicans say, having no health insurance is not a problem – you just go to an Emergency Room.
    Do you want children of working families to be without health insurance for another four years because Obama didn’t pick Hillary Clinton as running mate?
    After eight years of Bush, how could anyone who values families not vote for the Democrat?

  25. Evelyn said:

    Here is how one blogger summed Palin up.
    I added the last paragraph because it shows her views on community organizers.
    ~~~~~
    I dreamed that Sarah Paleolithic was Vice President. She didn’t need the Secret Service because she packs her own pistol and submachine gun. She doesn’t need a Cadillac limo because she has an F350 with a Confederate flag on the aerial, a “God is my co-pilot” bumper sticker, and five kids, 3 dogs and a dead moose in the back. She hosts televangelists’ tent meetings and Holy Ghost revivals, pitbull fights, WWF matches and book burnings on the White House lawn. The schools hand out “Just say no to sex” brochures and baby carriages, and install prenatal clinics and marriage chapels.
    Proponents of anthropogenic climate change views are declared national security risks and silenced. She guns down animals from the window of Air Force Two and Operation Iraqi Freedom is renamed Operation Armageddon and nuclear weapons are deployed, while back in the US of A the Homeland Security Department puts the nation on Rapture Alert.
    She also says community organizers (aren’t) responsible? Or caring? Or doing anything important. What a terrible insult to the greatest community organizer of all time, Jesus Christ.

  26. Irma said:

    I dont buy the Bush=MCain argument.
    It wont be so bad and yes I can live with my decision. Obama is not qualified now.
    If he gets elected, and doesnt mess it all up – then I will consider voting for him even though I think he has no ethics.

  27. laura said:

    So Irma, you think McCain has ethics?
    Where were his ethics when he changed his mind about torture – he now no longer wants to prohibit torture.
    Where were his ethics when he voted against benefits for veterans – the one non-rich group I would imagine he identifies with ?
    Where were his ethics when he talked about bombing Iran – with thousands of dead people as a result? We are talking about dead civilians – people like you and me.
    McCain has ethics and Obama doesn’t? Please explain.

  28. Evelyn said:

    Irma
    The only thing can mess things more up then they already are is a McSame-Palin ticket win.

  29. laura said:

    Dear Irma, forgive me for coming back to this. But you say you don’t buy the Bush=McCain argument. Yet on October 3, 2007, CNN reported that McCain said Bush is right to veto the States Children’s Health Insurance. The quote is “Sen. John McCain says he supports veto of children’s health insurance bill.” The web address is http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/mccain.interview/.
    As a professional in medical care for children, permit me to say that unfortunately, it will be so bad. Yes, McCain would be as bad for the country as his support for Bush’s veto of this children’s health insurance bill portends.
    Please help to prevent that from happening. Children need health insurance, middle class families need relief from the crushing financial burdens that 8 years of Bush have heaped on them, and the country needs peace.

  30. Michaela said:

    Michaela said
    Why are you always so petty Evelyn? Maybe we should ask you who are the grand wizards of your brown racist groups like Mexica, Maldelf, La Raza and MecHa? Do they influence your hate-filled anti-American tirades?
    E
    Couldn’t you conjure up a more credable WHOPPER! LOL!
    Show Proof! Where is the proof! Where does it say La Raza, Maldef, or Mecha are run by grand wizards or grand dragons wearing pointed dunce hats.
    You’re really serious here Evelyn? The “proof” of your illicit associations is all in what you write. Comprende? Plus, I notice you always pull the childish, HA, HA, HA, LOL, LOL, LMAO crap when you know you are busted!

  31. carmen said:

    lack of Washington political experience —lets see that last time I checked Palin had more under her belt than Osama I mean Obama

  32. Marisa Treviño said:

    Carmen, I really find your statement puzzling and, I admit, scary. While I always try to respect other people’s opinions, I’m a firm believer that you have to back up that opinion with facts. It’s a fact that Palin doesn’t have any Washington experience. She’s only been governor for 2 years. Given your other comments, I can only surmise that you work for the McCain campaign in some capacity to give credence to Palin. To compare her experience with Obama’s is a non-issue. If you are Latina, then shame on you that you are allowing yourself to be used in this manner and if you are Latina, do all Latinas proud, and start using your brain before you write.

  33. Evelyn said:

    Michaela said:
    Michaela said
    Why are you always so petty Evelyn? Maybe we should ask you who are the grand wizards of your brown racist groups like Mexica, Maldelf, La Raza and MecHa? Do they influence your hate-filled anti-American tirades?
    You’re really serious here Evelyn? The “proof” of your illicit associations is all in what you write. Comprende? Plus, I notice you always pull the childish, HA, HA, HA, LOL, LOL, LMAO crap when you know you are busted!
    E
    Why dont you discuss the issues instead of discussing what you think you know about me? yawn

  34. Michaela said:

    Marisa
    If you are Latina, then shame on you that you are allowing yourself to be used in this manner and if you are Latina, do all Latinas proud, and start using your brain before you write.
    Marisa, all due respect, but, unless I am misunderstanding you, you have just deeply insulted many Latinas. Are you insinuating that Latinas are not using their brain if they are considering McCain/Palin?

  35. Michaela said:

    E
    Why dont you discuss the issues instead of discussing what you think you know about me?
    Why such a hypocrite Evelyn? On one of your recent posts you hinted that a fellow poster frequented KKK sites and thus was a KKK member. What a horrible claim to make to someone without “proof.” You make judgments about people all the time…they are racist, they are in the KKK, etc., why is it ok for YOU to do it and no one else? Are you somehow superior to the rest of us mere mortals?

  36. Michaela said:

    E
    Couldn’t you conjure up a more credable WHOPPER! LOL!
    Show Proof! Where is the proof! Where does it say La Raza, Maldef, or Mecha are run by grand wizards or grand dragons wearing pointed dunce hats.
    I thought you would have the smarts to figure out what was meant by my statement…sigh. Your favorite orgs may not specifically be run by grand wizards or whatever, but they are run by the “equivalent” of grand wizards except they are brown instead of white.

  37. Rob said:

    . You should not be distracted from real issues or policy. This question is can Palin be president if need be. Will Mcain’s policies help or hurt me. Is he discussing his policies or is he putting up a screen of diversion by bringing up things that will not affect you health care, economics, education, or rights. I sent this e-mail out today with a tidbit from Vault’s Human Capital: For HR Professionals, Managers, and Recruiters
    McCain’s radical agenda
    The McCain health plan would treat employer-paid health benefits as income that employees would have to pay taxes on. It means your employer is going to have to make an estimate on how much the employer is paying for health insurance on your behalf, and you are going to have to pay taxes on that money. Read more (Free registration required).
    What does this guy stand for? What is his real agenda? Ask real questions and find real truths and facts.

  38. Marisa Treviño said:

    Michaela, my comment to “Carmen” had nothing to do with whether or not she favors Palin/McCain over Obama/Biden. What is astounding is that she is making this race about Palin and Obama. Plain and simple, it’s not. Anyone who sees this race as only between these two figures isn’t using their brain — Latinas or not. If that’s deeply insulting then let it be a wake-up call to get back on track!

  39. Evelyn said:

    Michaela said
    Why such a hypocrite Evelyn? On one of your recent posts you hinted that a fellow poster frequented KKK
    sites and thus was a KKK member. What a horrible claim to make to someone without “proof.” You make judgments about people all the time…they are racist, they are in the KKK, etc., why is it ok for YOU to do it and no one else? Are you somehow superior to the rest of us mere mortals?
    E
    Did you ever stop to think that maybe I know alot more about Eyes then you do?
    Of course not! You are just going to spew BS without knowing anything, thinking you know everything, like you always do!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Michaela you say
    “I thought you would have the smarts to figure out what was meant by my statement…sigh. Your favorite or gs may not specifically be run by grand wizards or whatever, but they are run by the “equivalent” of grand wizards except they are brown instead of white.”
    E
    I have plenty of smarts to answer a stupid answer to a stupid question!
    Comparing the leaders of the KKK to leaders of La Raza, Maldef, or Mecha is like saying the leaders of Red Cross, and the Salvation Army are devil worshippers!
    Only someone ignorant would make that assumption!
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    Michaela you refer to those organizations as being MY FAVORITE.
    Show me proof WHERE I posted that they were my favorites! While I do respect these organizations for the work they do for Hispanics, especially the role they play helping Hispanic youth have opportunity to attend university through providing scholarships, I dream of the day these minority group organizations will no longer be necessary. As long as racism exists, these organizations are necessary. It’s funny that you would be against an organization you help set up because of your behavior! LOL! LMAO!!
    I have always said the ACLU was my favorite. I also like the Southern Poverty Law Center for putting many racists in prison where they belong.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Michaela you also said
    I “make judgments about people all the time…they are racist, they are in the KKK, etc., why is it ok for YOU to do it and no one else? Are you somehow superior to the rest of us mere mortals?”
    E
    The difference between people who want the immigration situation fixed whether or not the immigrants get to stay or go and Bigots who hate Hispanics and think their race is better than others, are THE LIES they use to demonize Hispanic immigrants, and instead end up showing their racism in the process thus defeating their purpose!
    Those lies have been debunked by credable studies, at credible institutions, by credable experts in the different fields for different issues.
    When a person continues to use those lies, it is easy to see their motives are those of hate and bigotry.
    THAT IS HOW I AND ALL THE OTHER AMERICANS AGAINST RACISM KNOW!
    Alessandra is one of those people who is against illegal immigration as most of us are, she is not keen on having the immigrants here out of legal status put on a path to citizenship, but she never uses lies to demonize immigrants. She sticks to facts.
    Even though we dont agree on some of the issues, she has earned my respect by showing she is not filled with hate and racism.

  40. Michaela said:

    E
    Comparing the leaders of the KKK to leaders of La Raza, Maldef, or Mecha is like saying the leaders of Red Cross, and the Salvation Army are devil worshippers!
    Only someone ignorant would make that assumption!
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    Oh I see Evelyn….you just cannot make connections can you? What is the difference between the white supremist KKKers and the BROWN supremist NCLR, MecHA and Maldef leaders? NONE!!! Are you really that blind? I don’t think you are, you just choose to live in denial and ignorance.

  41. Michaela said:

    E
    Michaela you refer to those organizations as being MY FAVORITE. Show me proof WHERE I posted that they were my favorites!
    Always demanding proof, huh Evelyn? Yet, you accuse others of being in the KKK or being racist or other asinine bullcrap but that is OK, huh, because you are the all-knowing, holier than thou, better than everyone, saint.
    Tell you what, you quit accusing people of being things that you have no proof they are, and no one will do that to you either. How’s that? Or is that too mature and adult for you to handle?
    E
    As long as racism exists, these organizations are necessary.
    It’s funny that you would be against an organization you help set up because of your behavior! LOL! LMAO!!
    Now here is a PRIME example Evelyn. You say, “It’s funny that I would be against an organization that I helped set up”??? What the h*ll? Stating things as fact again, but oh well, that’s ok because you are Evelyn, the high and mighty Evelyn who fights her “cause” without intelligence or knowledge but with pettiness and vindictive lies. LOL, LMAO, HA, HA, HA, etc., etc., etc…..

  42. Evelyn said:

    Being unable to present proof of one’s statements means they are opinions and may also be lies! Simple as that.
    Is this enough proof of what racism is…
    Saoirse
    Longtime Poster
    Joined: 30 Mar 2008
    Posts: 2050
    Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject:
    There is no doubt these third worlders are just freakin user cimininals. I don’t need any proof to convince me of that. The open borders crowd are ignorant, demanding morons who need to be dealt with. We have the names of many of the people in these groups and it is time to start arresting them for their aiding and abetting activities and inciting violence against the U.S.
    Americans are a completely difference breed of people from these third worlders. We have nothing in common with people from a country riddled with violence and corruption and who cannot see that when they are in OUR country they need to behave. That is a concept way too difficult for their little minds to comprehend.
    Saoirse
    Longtime Poster
    Joined: 30 Mar 2008
    Posts: 2050
    Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject:
    People like Mayor Villaraibasura and Isabel Garcia are who have brought the Mexican way of corruption into our country. These are invaders fighting against our government.
    I like this part best!
    sfya10
    Longtime Poster
    Joined: 26 Oct 2005
    Posts: 1594
    Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject:
    By Americans you mean “white” right? Come on Sorry. You act like there are no Hispanic who are U.S. citizens, who were born here. In fact there are Hispanics living in El Paso, who had the border cross them. They didn’t cross the border. Families that go back to before the War with Mexico. Should we round them up too?
    Know one of the main reasons Texas wanted to break away from Mexico? Because Mexico didn’t want them to bring slavery into their country. Issues aren’t always as cut and dried as you make them out to be.
    I have never advocated for illegal immigrants to come into this country. So don’t think that “these people” comments lumping all Hispanics into your tirades is right either.
    _________________
    representing the silent majority

  43. Michaela said:

    Well I agree with this person’s statement. Many of the illegals in our country do not see any reason to behave. They think they are above the laws of the U.S. Why do you defend them Evelyn?
    “Americans are a completely difference breed of people from these third worlders. We have nothing in common with people from a country riddled with violence and corruption and who cannot see that when they are in OUR country they need to behave.”

  44. Evelyn said:

    Michaela :
    Well I agree with this person’s statement. Many of the illegals in our country do not see any reason to behave. They think they are above the laws of the U.S. Why do you defend them Evelyn?
    E
    I dont defend anyone. What I defend is truth. If in fact they are victims of those who lie then it may seem I am defending them.
    I certainly am not ignorant to think they are “just freakin user criminals”like you state because they come from a country whose standing was turned into third world by American greed.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    “Americans are a completely difference breed of people from these third worlders. We have nothing in common with people from a country riddled with violence and corruption and who cannot see that when they are in OUR country they need to behave.”
    E
    The last part of your rhetoric is certainly true! We unlike people who are forced to live in poverty in third world countries because of our greed wouldent last one week having to live in those conditions.
    Their strength is truly an admirable quality.
    I imagine you are getting your information from one of so many bigoted sites because of the wide spread lies on those sites (which make me cringe in disgust ugh) about immigrants behaviour.
    Truth is every study shows American citizens are more likely to commit crimes and do have higher crime rates then immigrants!
    I think everyone living in this country should behave. People shouldent lie about others, they should learn to respect other people the land, and nature.
    Instead of embracing racism and bigotry.

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