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Arizona considers law to bring back undocumented immigrants to work

LatinaLista — In light of yesterday’s marches and the usual criticisms that they elicit, it’s interesting to note that Arizona is having second thoughts about “uninviting” undocumented immigrants to work in their state.

As the price of food goes up and other basic services that benefited from the labor of undocumented immigrants, the correlation between an affordable economy and immigrant labor will become more and more apparent — and more unaffordable for those of us caught in the middle.

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    EYES OF TEXAS
    May 2, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    The increase in food prices and basic services are the result of high fuel prices, not the lack of illegal alien cheap labor. States that do not, and have not, depended on the cheap labor of illegal aliens are also experiencing higher prices on everything. This is just another weak attempt at trying to justify illegal immigration. It’s the fuel prices dummy.

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    Frank
    May 2, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Sorry, but it is against federal law to hire illegal aliens. So no, they can’t be invited back. I would like to know why this employer can’t find citizen or legal immigrant workers to fill their shoes at a fair wage. There were 80,000 jobs lost in this country during the month of March alone.

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    Daniel
    May 2, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    funny!
    gringos remind me of barney fife, shooting themselves in their own foot!
    get. come back. get out. come back.
    lol
    and that pearce… LMFAOOO!
    HILARIUOS!

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    laura
    May 2, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Mr. Pearce and his friends would be best served by simply re-introducing slavery in Arizona.
    In fact, the proposed guestworker program is not far off from that.

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    Liquidmicro
    May 2, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    How are they “uninviting” undocumented immigrants to work when the business’ in need of workers are showing that they have attempted to hire American workers, and then are going through the Mexican Consulate in order to obtain “LEGAL GUEST WORKERS”? These workers would then have no path to citizenship, and would be required to leave after they term out or their job is completed. By giving them legal guest workers, there will also be no more exploitation, especially in the AG industry, where the H-2A visas are not used. This makes the farmers become more compliant and less likely to burden the average tax payer with sub-sidized health care and various other social programs costs.

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    Rip Hammer
    May 2, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    If a national from another country wants to seek employment here – he or she should apply for a work visa and go by the rules or stay out.

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    PIM
    May 2, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    you pick and chose, I myself believe that if every illegal went home tomorrow our economy would bounch back within a week.
    No tax dollars spent on them would be a savings ,and we could put all those in prison to work in the fields………People on welfare could get their butts in the fields as well.
    And those who are not disabled and yet have conned the system they could spend some time in a field on their knees!

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    laura
    May 3, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Marisa, forgive me for getting angry.
    But I believe: all these little Nazis who are so happy to take Latino parents away from their children, are the same disappointed racists who were cheering for the US to invade Iraq. They wanted to show that big white American guys can defeat little brown guys any time (just to wipe away what they felt 9/11 was: humiliation). They didn’t mind killing some thousands of Iraqi children’s parents to feel big again.
    Am I the only one who thinks that now big white American guys are taking their defeat at the hands of little brown Iraqi guys out on little brown Latino people? How convenient that in this case, the big white American guys have guns and handcuffs and the little brown people are seamstresses, breastfeeding mothers, tomato pickers. This way, the big white American guys know their “victory” is guaranteed.
    I feel these Franks, Horaces, Eyes of Texas etc are that breed of little racist cowards. In the end, they are just taking down their own future. In the meantime, they hurt many people. Iraq is destroyed. Many Latino families are destroyed.
    Do you doubt there is a connection between the war crimes Americans commit in Abu Ghraib, and what happens to Latinos in detention centers in Texas?

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    Frank
    May 4, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    laura,
    You have some major issues regarding race. The far left is absolutely OBSSESSED with race and so are you.
    Do you really think that the only people kiilled on 9/11 were WHITE?
    Do you realize how many “people of color” are serving honorably in our military in Iraq?? Even as officers??? You know absolutely NOTHING about the military and the rules of engagement they are required to follow. Leftists pukes like you have all but tied their hands. If we would have had to fight like this in WW2, you’d be speaking German now and part of the Third Reich! Fortunately for us back then the Communists were fighting on our side, so we didn’t get much resistance from your ilk.
    Islamic radicals want to spread their twisted ideology anyway they can–by force is also fine. They don’t care what RACE YOU ARE! They’ll put a burka on you just the same as they will anyone else. They’ll saw YOUR head off just the same as they will a white person’s because to them you are nothing but an infidel. Of course, judging from your comments, losing YOUR head wouldn’t be much of a loss. I hope I live long enough to see people like you be forced to live under Sharia. Either that or domination by the Chinese. Either would be amusing. You’ll be begging to have the evil “white America” back.
    Does it escape your little pea brain that this country is the most diverse country in the entire world???? Fully one-third non-white??? Of course, white hating racists like you won’t be satisfied until every white person is purged from the country. Then you can finally live JUST LIKE THEY DO IN MEXICO!! OH, JOY!! WON’T THAT JUST BE WONDERFUL!!!???
    I have NEVER seen such garbage spewing forth as I have from you brown nationalists just because we have the audacity as a country to try to enforce SOME of our immigration laws in a half-hearted way! HYPOCRITES!!!!! Why don’t you get on Mexico for enforcing THEIR immigration laws??? Oh, that’s right–because it’s not your country and you only care about the U.S. Yeah, right. I hear ya.
    You know NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what our brave men and women OF ALL RACES AND ETHNICITIES are doing in Iraq to try to help that country achieve democracy and some measure of prosperity. Where were you when Saddam and his henchmen were tossing people feet first into industrial shredders? Where were you when he was torturing children in front of their parents? Oh, that’s right–NOWHERE. Because America-hating leftists like you are only there when you can criticize the U.S. Like I said–I CAN’T WAIT FOR THE DAY WHEN YOU ARE EITHER LIVING UNDER SHARIA OR UNDER THE BOOT OF COMMUNIST CHINA! I will laugh my ass off you racist white hater.
    If you hate “white” America so much, why the hell don’t you move to the “brown” paradise of your choice??? I mean, you have 22 Latin American countries from which to choose.
    Your crapping all over our military, accusing the “big white American guys” of merely wanting to show that they could beat the “little brown Iraqi guys” is just too effing much. Your statement that we are taking our frustrations out on the Latino brown guys because the Iraqi brown guys are defeating us is just WAY OVER THE TOP! In fact, I think this is the most outrageous thing I have read on ANY forum or blog so far! Do you realize that a loss in Iraq is NOT a loss for “white” America, but for the entire country????????????????????????????????
    As far as our immigration laws go, there is nothing racist or Nazi about wanting them enforced and securing our borders. Those who have violated them are causing seperation of familis themselves, NOT US!

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    Daniel
    May 4, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    LL.
    It’s one thing to allow dissent. Especially when the opposition is civil as some are in here.
    It’s another to provide a platform for people to knowingly spread dis-information.
    It’s not productive, does not add towards a resolution of the immigration stand-off and makes people,including myself, wonder whose side your on.

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    laura
    May 4, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Hm – interesting. “Frank” confirms my impression that for the racists, there is a visceral connection between Iraq and hating Latina/o immigrants.
    It is a sad mindset that thinks superiority comes from inflicting more violence on others than they inflict on you. A sad mindset that thinks humiliation comes from being the victim of violence.
    “Frank” etc: your lifetime may not be long enough for you to discover that superiority comes from having more to give. And that humiliation comes from recognizing how badly you treated others – how lowly you are perceived in the moral order of fellow human beings.

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    Marisa Treviño
    May 4, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Daniel, In my years of writing, I’ve learned that one person’s “dis-information” is another person’s truth. For that reason, I allow it — not to help facilitate the spread of this misinformation, though a good argument could be made for doing exactly this, but rather to expose the rest of us who advocate for humane treatment and consideration of the undocumented know what kind of arguments are emanating from the other side. Arguments that make no sense, are exaggerated and, yes, outright lies. I am trusting that those who are educated and sympathetic will see through these statements and argue against them or ignore them. What I hope will happen is that those who are spouting such “dis-information” will eventually realize that there is a middle ground to be reached for an equitable solution — but we’re going to have to go through a bunch os s**t to get there.

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    Daniel
    May 5, 2008 at 2:06 am

    LL,
    Thanks for the reply.
    I guess I dont have to tell you that I trip LoL.
    I just cant understand how gringo males, born in the U.S., English speaking with American educations and all the perks from drivers licenses and access to credit to looking like a whiteboy, spend so much hating women and children and guys who just want to work and survive.
    I cant figure it out.
    When a family goes looking for their daughter in the AZ desert and they find the remains of someone else’s child it really makes me reconsider my loyalties.
    It’s not a race thing to me. Trust me. My dad’s white. My mom was the indigena.
    When I see those guys at Save Our State and their talking about a war and an invasion…
    They’re nuts.
    Dunno. I cant figure it out.
    Low wage, low skilled workers attract businesses and provide a legitimate reason for companies to stay put rather than packing up and relocating to greener pastures where there are low skilled workers.
    But you get these yahoos like the minutemen and they’re just as ignorant as can be.
    It’s crazy. Craziest doggone thing. I cant figure it out.

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    Frank
    May 5, 2008 at 9:05 am

    laura, I opposed the Iraq war from the get-go but now that we are there we need to finish the job by hopefully establishing a democracy for their people.
    I hate to break the news to but Iraqis and Arabs are considered Caucasian. They are a subset. They are not Asian and not Negroid. There are only three main categories of race: Caucasian, Negroid, and Asian. But, that’s beside the point.
    Your entire post was nothing but pure hatred and contempt for whites. Every single sentence reeked of it! Can you imagine the hatred which would prompt a person to say that “big white Americans” are taking out their frustrations over their defeat at the hands of the “little brown Iraqis” by enforcing the immigration laws against “little brown Latinos???” I mean, really let that set in for a moment.
    It really makes whites anxious to become the minority in a country full of people with this resentment and grievance mindset, doesn’t it?
    You did not address ONE POINT that I brought up. NOT ONE! Yet, you went on to claim that my comments “proved” the link between Iraq and the immigration issue!
    You are one of these “blame America” types that thinks that everything that goes wrong in the world can be traced back to the evil U.S. (white, of course). So, nobody else in the world can be evil in and of themselves. Only the U.S. I wonder if Latinos were running the nation if they would still feel the same way. I’ll bet they wouldn’t. Of course, if Latinos were running the country, we’d be a third world Socialist hellhole like the Latino countries are now and no longer able to effect any changes in the world. So, I guess there’s the answer, huh?

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    Horace
    May 9, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Laura said: “But I believe: all these little Nazis who are so happy to take Latino parents away from their children, are the same disappointed racists who were cheering for the US to invade Iraq.”
    She makes the same old ad hominem attacks that substitute for rational discourse.
    The fact is these people were well aware of the possibility for deporation as are our citizen criminals who are incarcerated in our prisons and separated from their children as the consequence. This is a red herring meant to play on the heart strings of Americans in order to shield immigration law violators from the consequences of their actions. I’m sorry, but most Americans are tired of hearing this from illegal alien apologists like Laura.

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    Liquidmicro
    May 9, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Actually, they can take their children with them when they are repatriated, the parents just choose not to. Children born here to Illegal Immigrants are in fact dual citizens, all the parent has to do is goto the Consulate of their country and fill out the correct paperwork, pay the fees and viola dual citizenship. They can even take their children with them and get the dual citizenship in their country of origin. So, blame the parents for not wanting their children with them, leaving the rearing to someone else, and falsely accusing the USA of deporting Citizens parents and the citizens themselves. When the child becomes an adult, he/she can then choose which nation to permanently call home, freely of their own accord.

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    Horace
    May 15, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    “Actually, they can take their children with them when they are repatriated, the parents just choose not to.”
    Exactly so, LM, as this is exactly what thousands of H1-b visa holders temporary workers who return to their homeland after having children in this country. They don’t throw tantrums and threaten to abandon their children as illegal aliens do. These illegal aliens should be ashamed of abandoning their children, as they’re still responsible for their children no matter where they go or what their financial circumstances are. It’s shameless coercion when they threaten to leave them behind. Advocates seem to think that this action is effective, but it only serves to evoke contempt from the citizen population.

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    Horace
    May 15, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    “funny!
    gringos remind me of barney fife, shooting themselves in their own foot!
    get. come back. get out. come back.
    lol
    and that pearce… LMFAOOO!
    HILARIUOS!”
    Seems like stereotypical bigotry isn’t reserved for a specific race or ethnic group. The pathetic thing is that this guy is unable to recognize it in himself.

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    gary
    January 4, 2009 at 10:50 am

    I would be willing to bet that all these people on here supporting the illegals are either also illegals or a family member to them, or making profit off the illegals.None of the supporters have lost their home or job or both, due to the illegals.It don’t surprise me that some people try to blame our problem with illegal immigrants on racism.It seems to be something that people love to turn to when they can’t find anything better to use.I suppose I myself am a very racist person then.But I’m not sure that I really know what racist is.So,if my neighbor is doing illegal things to support his or her’s family and I don’t like it does that mean I’m racist toward them?I don’t think so.I would say it just means I don’t approve of what their doing no matter what race they are.If your neighbor is selling drugs out of their home your not a racist because you don’t like them because of it,it’s just(illegal)So illegal immigrants are just (illegal)..I would like to know what makes it our responsibility to save the world.Well I have news for you people (we can’t do it)It’s destroying our economy.If each immigrant legal or not sends $1 a day back to where their from how much money you think is leaving our economy?The money made here needs to stay here or it throws our economy out of balance.It makes it seem as though we American’s are hoarding our money but in reality it’s being sent to other countries,but our economy don’t know that.And that along with the loss of jobs due to immigrants is what put our economy where it is now.

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    Texano78704
    January 5, 2009 at 9:29 am

    Hey gary, I’ll take that bet, because I know you are wrong. I do not think that there are many people in this country that are racists; I am sure that there are quite a few that are misinformed by anti-immigrant organizations that have ties to white supremacist groups. They are so misinformed that they actually believe that immigrants have caused the current recession.
    I would be very surprised to hear that a homeowner was working as a busboy at a restaurant or day laborer and lost that low skill, low wage job and subsequently was then unable to pay a monthly mortgage payment that was more than they earn each month. Your analogy between selling drugs and being an “illegal immigrant” is not much of an analogy. One is a criminal offense and the other is a civil offense.
    If each recent immigrant, legal or not, sends one dollar a day back to their home country, I bet it would still be far less than the daily trade deficit the US has with China. Now that is an economic imbalance about which one should really be upset.

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