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Congratulations President-Elect Obama

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President-elect Obama’s acceptance speech:

If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible; who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time; who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer.
It’s the answer told by lines that stretched around schools and churches in numbers this nation has never seen; by people who waited three hours and four hours, many for the very first time in their lives, because they believed that this time must be different; that their voice could be that difference.
It’s the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Latino, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled – Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been a collection of Red States and Blue States: we are, and always will be, the United States of America.
It’s the answer that led those who have been told for so long by so many to be cynical, and fearful, and doubtful of what we can achieve to put their hands on the arc of history and bend it once more toward the hope of a better day.
It’s been a long time coming, but tonight, because of what we did on this day, in this election, at this defining moment, change has come to America.

I just received a very gracious call from Senator McCain. He fought long and hard in this campaign, and he’s fought even longer and harder for the country he loves. He has endured sacrifices for America that most of us cannot begin to imagine, and we are better off for the service rendered by this brave and selfless leader. I congratulate him and Governor Palin for all they have achieved, and I look forward to working with them to renew this nation’s promise in the months ahead.
I want to thank my partner in this journey, a man who campaigned from his heart and spoke for the men and women he grew up with on the streets of Scranton and rode with on that train home to Delaware, the Vice President-elect of the United States, Joe Biden.
I would not be standing here tonight without the unyielding support of my best friend for the last sixteen years, the rock of our family and the love of my life, our nation’s next First Lady, Michelle Obama. Sasha and Malia, I love you both so much, and you have earned the new puppy that’s coming with us to the White House. And while she’s no longer with us, I know my grandmother is watching, along with the family that made me who I am. I miss them tonight, and know that my debt to them is beyond measure.
To my campaign manager David Plouffe, my chief strategist David Axelrod, and the best campaign team ever assembled in the history of politics – you made this happen, and I am forever grateful for what you’ve sacrificed to get it done.
But above all, I will never forget who this victory truly belongs to – it belongs to you.
I was never the likeliest candidate for this office. We didn’t start with much money or many endorsements. Our campaign was not hatched in the halls of Washington – it began in the backyards of Des Moines and the living rooms of Concord and the front porches of Charleston.
It was built by working men and women who dug into what little savings they had to give five dollars and ten dollars and twenty dollars to this cause. It grew strength from the young people who rejected the myth of their generation’s apathy; who left their homes and their families for jobs that offered little pay and less sleep; from the not-so-young people who braved the bitter cold and scorching heat to knock on the doors of perfect strangers; from the millions of Americans who volunteered, and organized, and proved that more than two centuries later, a government of the people, by the people and for the people has not perished from this Earth. This is your victory.
I know you didn’t do this just to win an election and I know you didn’t do it for me. You did it because you understand the enormity of the task that lies ahead. For even as we celebrate tonight, we know the challenges that tomorrow will bring are the greatest of our lifetime – two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial crisis in a century. Even as we stand here tonight, we know there are brave Americans waking up in the deserts of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan to risk their lives for us. There are mothers and fathers who will lie awake after their children fall asleep and wonder how they’ll make the mortgage, or pay their doctor’s bills, or save enough for college. There is new energy to harness and new jobs to be created; new schools to build and threats to meet and alliances to repair.
The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even one term, but America – I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there. I promise you – we as a people will get there.
There will be setbacks and false starts. There are many who won’t agree with every decision or policy I make as President, and we know that government can’t solve every problem. But I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree. And above all, I will ask you join in the work of remaking this nation the only way it’s been done in America for two-hundred and twenty-one years – block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand.
What began twenty-one months ago in the depths of winter must not end on this autumn night. This victory alone is not the change we seek – it is only the chance for us to make that change. And that cannot happen if we go back to the way things were. It cannot happen without you.
So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism; of service and responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves, but each other. Let us remember that if this financial crisis taught us anything, it’s that we cannot have a thriving Wall Street while Main Street suffers – in this country, we rise or fall as one nation; as one people.
Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long. Let us remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House – a party founded on the values of self-reliance, individual liberty, and national unity. Those are values we all share, and while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress. As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, “We are not enemies, but friends…though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection.” And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn – I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too.
And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces to those who are huddled around radios in the forgotten corners of our world – our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand. To those who would tear this world down – we will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security – we support you. And to all those who have wondered if America’s beacon still burns as bright – tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from our the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity, and unyielding hope.
For that is the true genius of America – that America can change. Our union can be perfected. And what we have already achieved gives us hope for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.
This election had many firsts and many stories that will be told for generations. But one that’s on my mind tonight is about a woman who cast her ballot in Atlanta. She’s a lot like the millions of others who stood in line to make their voice heard in this election except for one thing – Ann Nixon Cooper is 106 years old.
She was born just a generation past slavery; a time when there were no cars on the road or planes in the sky; when someone like her couldn’t vote for two reasons – because she was a woman and because of the color of her skin.
And tonight, I think about all that she’s seen throughout her century in America – the heartache and the hope; the struggle and the progress; the times we were told that we can’t, and the people who pressed on with that American creed: Yes we can.
At a time when women’s voices were silenced and their hopes dismissed, she lived to see them stand up and speak out and reach for the ballot. Yes we can.
When there was despair in the dust bowl and depression across the land, she saw a nation conquer fear itself with a New Deal, new jobs and a new sense of common purpose. Yes we can.
When the bombs fell on our harbor and tyranny threatened the world, she was there to witness a generation rise to greatness and a democracy was saved. Yes we can.
She was there for the buses in Montgomery, the hoses in Birmingham, a bridge in Selma, and a preacher from Atlanta who told a people that “We Shall Overcome.” Yes we can.
A man touched down on the moon, a wall came down in Berlin, a world was connected by our own science and imagination. And this year, in this election, she touched her finger to a screen, and cast her vote, because after 106 years in America, through the best of times and the darkest of hours, she knows how America can change. Yes we can.
America, we have come so far. We have seen so much. But there is so much more to do. So tonight, let us ask ourselves – if our children should live to see the next century; if my daughters should be so lucky to live as long as Ann Nixon Cooper, what change will they see? What progress will we have made?
This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment. This is our time – to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth – that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can’t, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people:
Yes We Can. Thank you, God bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America.

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    EYES OF TEXAS
    November 5, 2008 at 7:17 am

    For the first time in my adult life I am not proud of my country. I can not say “God bless America”. but ‘God damned America” seems to apply to what has happened.

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    Marisa Treviño
    November 5, 2008 at 9:52 am

    EOT, I really hesitated to even print your comment. Though I know you to be a racially discriminating person who has tried their best to poison every kind of constructive discussion on Latina Lista, I opted to print your sorry comment because it should shame you.
    Though you refused to recognize it, the election of Barack Obama has instantly buoyed this nation in the eyes of our allies and those who considered us their enemies. Obama’s election signals a true change in a new direction for this country. Maybe that’s what scares you and your colleagues who are on a mission to spread hate, mistrust and intolerance.
    The time for those tactics to achieve a discriminating divide in this country are over. While I have tried to be balanced in this forum and show both sides of the argument, it’s clear that some are not interested in working together for any kind of solution. Compromise is not in your vocabulary but hate and discrimination figure prominently.
    For that reason, this will be your last comment allowed on Latina Lista. It is time to look forward to repairing the damage done by the Bush Administration and this Republican party and for us all to work together.
    I sincerely hope you find peace in your life and one day can look past race and politics to contribute to a nation that needs everyone’s support, sweat and patriotism.

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    Texano78704
    November 5, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Ha ha ha!
    Time for the chattering classes, who quite obviously despise democracy, to shut up and take their own advice: America, love it or leave! And I might add, take your hate and bigotry with you.
    Barack Obama’s election to the presidency of the United State of America was decisive. It was complete rejection of all for which the Republican party stands.

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    adriana
    November 5, 2008 at 10:31 am

    Marisa,
    Eyes of Texas posted that same comment on my blog. He can’t think of anything else constructive to say, and I thought about deleting it. But I figure, let’s leave it up to show everyone what kind of bigot he is.
    One thing to keep in mind is that he finds time to troll around all of the Latino blogs, which should keep him occupied. He’s probably not engaging with real voters or knocking on doors. So if his hate is confined to the internet, so be it.

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    Nai
    November 5, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Eyes of Texas: if u re not proud of America, u re not American enough.
    Thanks Obama has won!

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    Alessandra
    November 5, 2008 at 11:39 am

    I really feel compelled to say something here and this will likely be my last post on this blog.
    I believe that EOT was quoting Michelle Obama in reverse (that for the first time she was “proud” of her country) and also the good Rev. Wright, president-elect Obama’s close friend and mentor. Did you also have a problem with those statements? Most likely not; in fact, you most likely agreed with them.
    I and other traditional Americans OTOH, do not have to wait until “our guy” gets elected to the WH to love and feel proud of our country. We love it warts and all and while we are not always proud of certain policies of certain administrations, we are always proud to be Americans. The countries who hate us are not always right anymore than we are always wrong. So maybe they should sometimes worry about how WE feel about THEM. Of course, leftists wouldn’t understand this alien concept.
    Anyone who opposes the leftist agenda will be accused of “hatred, racism, intolerance” blah, blah. But in all honesty, I see much hatred coming from the far left–as much as what comes from the far right. I have seen examples of their hatefulness on this blog. It is just that the targets of their hatred are different.
    In Socialist countries, those who oppose the agenda are put into “reeducation camps” to get them thinking “the right way.” In “soft Socialism” we use “political correctness” which is nothing more than cultural Marxism.
    Obama’s election is the result of deep dissatisfaction with Republicans over the course of the last eight years. In truth, there was much to criticize and with which to be unhappy. The economic meltdown, which BOTH parties had a hand in, was the last straw. These kinds of shifts have taken place in our country before. If the Obama administration does not deliver what the American people were promised, the Dems will be out again and the Republicans returned.
    Personally, I think we need a viable third party as I feel that neither party works in the best interests of the American people. But that’s just my opinion.
    Many people did not vote for Obama because they did not choose to ignore that his rise to power was due to support by the hard left and avowed Marxists. They were also not comfortable with his close associations with anti-Americans and terrorists who got off on technicalities. Others do not believe that his proposed economic policies, or policies in other areas, will benefit this country. It is their right as American citizens to make that determination and vote accordingly without being called “racist and divisive.”
    Only time will tell whether an Obama presidency will be in the best interests of this country or not. He ran as a centrist; we will see whether his far left base will allow him to govern as a centrist.
    Our enemies will surely be testing Obama to see what his reaction will be. And I hope that the opposition party will have the best interests of this country at heart and not try to undermine an Obama presidency as the opposition party did for eight years of the Bush presidency regardless of the cost to the country. And I pray that God will guide our leaders to do what is in the best interests of this nation and not do only what furthers their policial careers. Only God could accomplish that feat.
    Thank you for the opportunity to participate on this blog.

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    Irma
    November 5, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    The election of Barak Obama is simply that . He has been elected president.
    That feat was almost inevitable, given that the incumbent has an approval rating of less than 30%, the country is bankrupt and we are at war. I have no doubt that any of the Democratic candidates would have won given the same set of contributing factors.
    Being elected however is no guarantee that his presidency will be successful.
    We have only to look at the incumbent who ran 2 very well orchestrated campaigns and won twice.
    Since Barak Obama has had no experience in governing , we can only
    hope that he will listen to the voices
    of those who know something about the subject.
    I did not vote for president this time.
    Whether or not I vote for Barak Obama
    next time will depend on whether there is action coupled to what so far has been only WORDS.
    What do I want ?
    1. A federal budget that meets the
    needs of this country. As an educator,
    the future of my job in the next few months is entirely dependent upon whether Barak Obama
    puts money into my work sector,
    If not, my entire career is in jeopardy.
    2. Reform of the health care system
    3. Immigration reform.
    I am not optimistic- for the first time
    in my life , I truly feel that my country has failed me. And no McCain, was not the answer. Hilary Clinton was the answer -but the bigots in this country
    could not give the Presidency to a woman.

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    Indiana Bob
    November 5, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    I really appreciate that you have tolerated folks like Eyes, but I also whole-heartedly agree that it is time for her to move on. I get concerned that there is too much preaching to the choir on the internets, but when a quest for balance is polluted by blind biggotry and hatred, it becomes counter-productive.
    The URL I linked to in my signature basically supports you post today (not that your words needed any substantiation).
    Being the husband of an ex-undocumented worker, I have found that solving some of the very real problems with this issues is confounded by hate and biggotry we see from this Eyes character. The immagration issues spans trade policy, wage issues, human rights, economic realities, and so much more. The sooner we can strike hate from the conversation, the sooner we will have a productive dialogue. I personally do not want to read about young men and women dying of thirst in the AZ dessert, nor do I want any more ICE raids that have been so devastating to families. We can figure this out.
    I read your blog daily, and I thank you for allowing me to chime in on occasion.

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    Challis
    November 5, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    WOW, I did not stay up late enough to see Obama’s speech.
    I am excited and inspired to see it here in writing.
    I think that Obama is a good person and a good leader.
    Only time will tell what the future holds for the US, make no mistake, he is in for a tough 4 years in the White House.
    Now is the time, as it is every 4 years, for the people of the US to ban together and do what is right by our country. Leave the petty arguments aside, now IS the time for change, let’s make sure it is for the better.

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    Sandra
    November 5, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    I fail to understand what makes EOT a racist or a bigot. I have never heard him say that he dislikes or hates blacks. I am sure his opinion of Obama is not based on his race but his politics, that is the same for me. All EOT did was to mimic Michelle Obama and Rev. Wright’s own words.
    I have read EOT’s posts in this blog and he is opposed to illegal immigration. That does not make him a racist or a bigot either. I am disappointed that someone can be banned in here for holding an opposing view from that of the blog owner and her coherts in here.

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    Marisa Treviño
    November 5, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    It is one thing to hold an opposing view — of which doesn’t bother me in the least but to be negative to be negative, to be hateful to be hateful, those types of comments test their limits and don’t add anything to the conversation.
    It’s just time to move the conversation forward.

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    Texano78704
    November 5, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    You hit the nail on the head, Marisa. True enough, we cannot say that EOT is racist or a bigot. However, we most certainly can say he is a hater, an intolerant ideologue who deserves pity more so than a soap box.
    If you do not think so, read this post by EOT and pay particular attention to the last sentence.

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    Sandra
    November 5, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Regardless of who you supported as a candidate in this election or how you feel about illegal immigration, those who feel differently than you do will call it “negativity.”
    I saw nothing in EOT’s posts that I would call hateful. If one wants to be honest about it, some people can’t handle an opposing view and think it is hateful just to hold a view that is contrary to theirs. Those who are not comfortable with their own views because their inner being is telling them they are wrong will strike out at the other side instead and try to stifle their freedom of speech and opinion. I see that as the case here.

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    laura
    November 5, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    After spending yesterday’s afternoon and evening canvassing to get out the vote for Obama, I felt overwhelmingly amazed and awed to see the state-by-state returns last night. This landslide gives Obama the biggest popular vote for the presidency in – I don’t know how long. It’s been a long time since a candidate got over 50%.
    This morning I woke up with such a sense of joy.
    I know we still have to fight for everything we need. But with President Obama, there will be some good intentions in the executive branch of government. I am overjoyed that the Bush era was ended in a burst of passion and energy of millions of Americans. I am happy to see these beautiful little black girls getting their new puppy in the White House.
    As for Eyes of Texas: may I suggest, Marisa, you continue to let this person post here? Of course it’s your site. I am just thinking that they do the best job themselves, of revealing the pathetic nature of their bigotry and hate. Reading their post on the election clearly illuminates the connection between anti-immigrant hate and racism directed at African-Americans. It also shows up the simple stupidity that is the basis of this hate and racism. Why not let them be exhibit A of why our cause is important for all decent Americans?

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    Sandra
    November 6, 2008 at 7:26 am

    Texano,
    I read that post of EOT’s that you linked to. I saw nothing bigoted or racist in it. Why do you assume that because he was no fan of Obama that it had anything to do with his race? As far as his last sentence that you referred to, I think it was plain that he was admitting that there ARE people out there that may wish Obama dead but that doesn’t mean he felt that way. Boy, the assumptions in here are ridiculous.

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    Sandra
    November 6, 2008 at 7:34 am

    Laura,
    It says a lot about you that you made that remark about Obama’s “beautiful little BLACK girls.” Why the need to point out their race? We all know that Obama is half-black and so are his kids. So what? Kennedy had two kids and they were white. Would you have referred to his kids as “white”? I doubt it! Everything is about race to some people, isn’t it?
    EOT never exhibited bigotry nor hate. He had different political and immigration views than many in here. That didn’t make him a racist or a bigot. When will the left stop pulling the race card abd grow up and respects other’s opinions?

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    EYES OF TEXAS
    November 6, 2008 at 7:46 am

    Marisa, I seem to have struck a nerve with you and you use the same tactics that will be put in place by the Obama administration, censorship of free speech. Also notice I am getting a little support from someone that believes in freedom of speech even though they don’t agree with my message. My arguement with Obama is that he is not too black to be President, he is too green to be President. You give me a conservative candidate of any race and they would get my vote.
    Obamas plans for wealth redistribution, a civilian security force with military training and military fire power are similar to nations, past and present, that rule over the civilian population through intimidation and fear. These nations are either socialistic or communist.
    Obama got elected and the stock market plunged almost 500 points, yet the mainstream media, which may be considered part of Obamas campaign staff, ignore that fact. With Obamas threat to tax the hell out of businesses, they have no faith in his economic policies to bring our economy back.
    Post this if you want or use your power of censorship, as Obama will, and silence those that are not blinded by false hope and sweeping change in a negative direction.

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    Marisa Treviño
    November 6, 2008 at 9:12 am

    EOT, the nerve you struck with me was your constant negativity and comments without substance. This post is one of your better ones. I’ve never asked anyone to agree with me and I agree with a comment you made, which I didn’t post, about how can a conversation move forward if there is an agreement of opinion. The simple fact is that it can’t.
    I will allow your comments to be posted again if you do two things: First, don’t be negative to be negative – support your statements. I’m not asking you to provide lengthy cut-and-paste articles or even links but just explain like you did in this comment why you feel the way you do. And secondly, don’t post the same comment on Latina Lista and multiple other blogs. It’s the fastest way to lose credibility with me and it shows me that you’re insincere in wanting to have a dialogue. Plus, it labels you a troll and no one likes those!

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    laura
    November 6, 2008 at 9:45 am

    I’m sorry, Marisa. Just to clarify: I am not giving support to “Eyes of Texas.” I simply think that their posts are the best showcase for the link between racism as a worldview, hate and anger as a constant emotional state, and anti-immigrant activities.

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    reenee
    November 6, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    I applaud your thoughtful explanation and willingness to post any comments by EOT. He/she comes to our site as “Anonymous” to post the usual talking points cut & pasted on every site he/she visits.
    I simply stopped giving him/her a forum for the same thing I was seeing everywhere else. I suggested he/she establish a blog to pursue the train of thought he/she so obviously enjoys.

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    EYES OF TEXAS
    November 6, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Being called a troll is the least offensive thing I have been called. I consider myself as an independent conservative and any candidate, black, brown, green, purple or yellow with basic conservative values would get my vote in a heartbeat. I pride myself with the ability to see beyond all the hype or star qualities of any person running for any political position. I listen to what they say, not how they say it,; what they actually do or have done, not what they promise to do and evaluate their character based on their abilities to convense me they are right for the job.
    Sorry, Obama in my book is not what our nation needs at this time in history. Of course, I see and understand his being elected is a historical event and a long time coming, but he leans so far to the left, he’s almost gone horizontal.
    The many questions I keep offering up are not from hate or racism, but no one seems to have an answer to some serious irregularities surrounding Obama and his political stance. For instance:
    1. Why can’t Obama provide a hospital issued birth certificate from Hawaii to put to rest the question of his status of natural born U.S. citizen?
    2. Why has the Governor of Hawaii sealed Obamas “supposed” birth certificate from public access?
    3. Why did Obamas staff post a fraudulent “certificate of live birth” on the internet if an original bitrh certificate was available?
    4. What will be the objective of Obamas civilian security force which will have military training and military fire power?
    5. Why isn’t anyone else asking these questions of Obama to obtain some hard facts about the change Obama will be bringing to all of us?
    A man of any true character should have no problem answering these basic questions, yet Obama remains secretive and is not fully honest about his past or his intent for the future of America.
    Is it just me, or should I just ignore all of this like the mainstream media does and the millions that voted for him also has done?

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    Irma
    November 6, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Obama’s girls are not black. They are
    biracial just as their father is. Why some on the left or the right focus on race is frankly racist. Hispanic families ar well familiar with the spectrum of complexions, hair textures etc that
    defines us. I would like to see a Latino President, because they would share my view of the world. Barak Obama looks like a black man but was raised by white Americans. That defines cultural perspective- regardless of what his wife or children look like.
    If his presidency succeeds it will be in fact because of all of those WHITE people, they will be his advisors, mentors etc. Thank God , Barak Obama appears not to be the racist
    that many of his supporters are.
    The campaign is over, President Elect Obama now has to get to work. He belongs to all of us now- 24 hours a day for the next 4 years. We can only hope that his actions in the future match the rhetoric of the past.

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    adriana
    November 6, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    “I would like to see a Latino President, because they would share my view of the world.”
    Irma, how you look can define who you are as well. My professional, master’s degree holding father has been mistaken for a gardener, a janitor, etc. Although Obama was raised in a white family, I’m sure that some will assume that he wasn’t, especially prior to getting to “know” him over the past 2 years, just as some assume that he’s an Arab because of his name.
    Now how will a Latino president share your view of the world? I have met many Latinos who view the world through such a narrow lens and even Latinos who were raised in white families as well, that I find it hard to make that kind of statement for myself. And believe me, I would love for us to have a Latino president. 🙂

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    Texano78704
    November 7, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Until anyone can prove that both of Barack Obama’s biological parents are or were not a US citizens, the whole discussion of Obama’s birth certificate is completely inane.
    It is no big secret that McCain was not born in the US, he was born in Panamá. By virtue of being born to parents, who are US citizens, he is a US citizen and eligible to run for president.
    As for “providing a hospital issued birth certificate,” that’s another red herring. The piece of paper that passes as proof of my birth was issued by the local government, not the hospital. My child’s birth certificate was also issued by the government, not a hospital.
    Why isn’t anyone else asking these questions of Obama to obtain some hard facts about the change Obama will be bringing to all of us? Because they are absurd!

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    EYES OF TEXAS
    November 7, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    I just got this in an
    e-mail and thought what a wonderful idea it is. If only it could be done, it might drive home a point to those that did not understand the issue.
    From a small business owner:
    Subject: If you must lay off employees in 2009:
    As a business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama will be our next President and that my taxes and fees will go up in a BIG way.
    To compensate for these increases, I figure that our customers will have to see an increase in my fees of about 8%. I will also have to lay off six of my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and didn’t know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled through the parking lot and found eight Obama bumper stickers on my employees’ cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.
    I can’t think of more fair way to approach this problem. If you have a better idea, let me know.
    I am sending this letter to all business owners that I know.
    This is a plan that should be implimented immediately.

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    Irma
    November 7, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Adriana,
    I dont know if you are a Latina, my sense is that you are not based on
    on your comments in the past.
    I am Mexican, but I have been amazed
    by how similar my view of the world is to other Latinos that I have met from South America, Cuba, Puerto Rico,
    and the Dominican Republic. This view
    of the world is not defined by race or complexion . Poetically, I would say there is such a thing as a Latin soul.
    I thought I saw it in Barak Obama, but
    his association with Jeremiah Wright gives me pause. Maybe I am wrong, and Barak Obama does have a Latin soul. I hope I am wrong. As for a Latino President, it is not Bill Richardson. They are out there somewhere, I hope to see them in my lifetime.

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    Irma
    November 7, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    EOT- Barack Obama’s mother was a US citizen, regardless of where she was born, Her parents were US citizens- no one questions that. That made her a
    US citizen. I believe you only need one parent to be a US citizen for that parent to claim US citizenship for their
    biological children. Barack Obama
    is therefore a US citizen by American law.
    Look , the man will be the next President of United States. He was not your choice or mine, but we have to
    accept it and hope for the sake of our
    country that he is able to do a good job. He no longer belongs to his family- he belongs to the citizens of the USA (that includes you and me).
    I want him to succeed- or at the very least not make things worse.
    Years ago, my 17 year old uncle was taken from his family and put on a boat
    to Europe to join the US forces battling
    WWII. He told me recently that he had mixed feelings, because at home in Dallas, he had never eaten at the same table with a white person. Yet, he was expected to be on the same team with those people and even die along side them. But as an American, he put aside his differences and did his job,
    dragging injured soldiers away from
    the battle lines toward awaiting medical teams. He risked his life every day doing this and miraculously came home in one piece. During WWII, my
    uncle like many soldiers of all colors learned what it meant to be an American.
    So EOT, wish the new President elect
    well for the sake of our country.
    You will have another opportunity in
    four years to give another person the job.

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    Texano78704
    November 7, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    So, now that EOT has run out of inane arguments, he/she/it reposts “rumors from the internets.” That’s very mature.

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    Sandra
    November 8, 2008 at 8:02 am

    Irma,
    You have just made a very good argument about why a newborn should be made a citizen of one of their parent’s homelands rather than being made a citizen of the country they were born in when neither parent is a citizen of that country. This is precisely why we should change the 14th Amendment of this country. No child should be granted instant citizenship by birth on our soil unless one of the parents is already a citizen of this country.

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    laura
    November 8, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Dear Marisa,
    like their first post on this thread, the last one by “Eyes of Texas” again so beautifully characterizes the mindset of anti-immigrant “activists.” The “yuck factor” of these posts provides the best antidote to anti-immigrant arguments that you or I could wish for. Reading these “Eyes of Texas” posts I feel like I want to put on rubber gloves to handle my computer.
    The mentality of the angry, viciously lashing-out loser will be repulsive to others as well, who may not yet have formed an opinion of immigration issues.

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    Irma
    November 8, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Sandra,
    I checked out my comment about citizenship. What I said is US law.
    I agree with that law, it seems you dont?

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    Liquidmicro
    November 8, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Irma,
    Here is the ‘requirement’ to be President.
    Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad (McCain in Panama by both US Citizen parents, at the time Panama was a territory of the USA), but only to “parents who were both citizens of the U.S.”) may be president of the United States.
    So in order for Obama to fit your description of having only one Citizen Parent, he would not be eligible to be POTUS since only his mom was a US Citizen while his father is a citizen of Kenya. What you should have pointed out is the possibility that Obama was born a US Citizen by way of Hawaii, a “Natural Born Citizen” of the USA.

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    Alex
    November 9, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Panama was never a U.S. territory. It was inavaded in 1989 to remove GRl. Manuel Noriega from power. The Panama Canal was under U.S adminiostration but Panama was never a U.S. territory. Liquidmicro, tell your group to check their facts before advising you to post something, or, did you post before consulting with them?

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    Irma
    November 9, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Barack Obama was born to a teenage mother ( US citizen) in Hawaii on Aug 4, 1961.
    Hawaii became a state on August 21,
    1959.
    Barak Obama is a US citizen.
    End of story.

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    Irma
    November 9, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Barak Obama is a US citizen because he had a mother who was a US citizen AND because he was born in the US
    (Hawaii) in 1961. If that was not clear in my previous statement- I hope it is now. The point was however that
    Barak Obama did not have to born in the US to BE a citizen because his mother was an American citizen.
    It is disturbing to me that there are skeptics out there that continue to
    question something that is obvious.
    Remember, Barak Obama’s parents met in Hawaii, were married there and he was born there shortly thereafter. They had no money – when his father left
    to go to graduate school – he did not take his wife or his son.

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    Liquidmicro
    November 10, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Arnold Schwarzenegger is also a US Citizen, however he is not a “Natural Born Citizen”, therefor he can not run for President. It does not matter if Obama is a Citizen or not, he must be ‘Natural Born’ in order to be qualified to be President. Just being a Citizen is not enough and is only a partial qualification.
    This is for you about McCains qualifications.
    “Quickly recognizing confusion over the evolving nature of citizenship, the First Congress in 1790 passed a measure that did define children of citizens “born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States to be natural born.””
    For once Alex, as an educated college moron, please do your own research before making accusations and ASSumptions. You may need to re-take your Geography class along with Government. You also need to learn correct spelling, since in an other post you couldn’t even spell College correctly and yet you claim to be a College student, I think you need to get your money back.
    Both from Wiki.
    “The Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, is administered by the U.S. under a perpetual lease, much as the Panama Canal Zone used to be before the signing of the Torrijos-Carter Treaties and only mutual agreement or U.S. abandonment of the area can terminate the lease.”
    “The Panama canal, and the Canal Zone surrounding it, was territory administered by the United States until 1999, when control was relinquished to Panama.”
    Now as to Obama’s “Live Birth Certificate” Obama and the DNC must respond to the US Supreme Court by Dec 1, 2008 about this situation. So, unless he produces a live birth certificate, or the Supreme Court sides with him, his status as POTUS may be in question.

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    EYES OF TEXAS
    November 10, 2008 at 10:40 am

    By providing one simple document, Obama could put all that doubt his birth status to rest. Why doesn’t he do so? The Governor of Hawaii sealing Obamas “supposed” birth certificate from public access has only added to more doubt about Obamas citizenship. Why did the Governor seal the document that could clear all doubts? Obamas campaign staff posted a fake “certificate of live birth” on the internet. If an original hospital issued birth certificate were available, why didn’t they post it? Too many unanswered questions about Obamas birth status and no one seems to have any answers other than Obamas mother was a U.S. citizen. Sorry, that doesn’t mean squat. Under Islamic law a child born to a Muslim father takes on the religion of the father and also the citizenship of the fathers nation.

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    Irma
    November 10, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Article 2 section 1 clause 1. 5 of the US
    constitution states”Clause 5: Qualifications for office
    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
    So apparently being a natural born citizen and being a Citizen of the United
    States are not the same thing, otherwise
    no distinction would have been made
    between them. Either type of citizen
    can be President of the United States
    according to Article 2.
    But as I said , Barak Obama was BORN in
    Hawaii. He is a natural born citizen –
    why cant EOT accept that? By the way,
    does Islamic law TRUMP US law in the
    United States ? The answer is a simple NO.

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    Texano78704
    November 10, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    I see we continue to have an assault of the incredibly stupid, and now there are two. Prima facie evidence indicates that Barack Obama is indeed a natural born US citizen. His mother, a US citizen, was living in Hawaii at the time of his birth. Sorry, the burden of proof that Obama is not a natural born US citizen is on the tin foil hat brigade.

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    Texano78704
    November 10, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    “Under Islamic law a child born to a Muslim father takes on the religion of the father and also the citizenship of the fathers nation.”
    Please explain how a religious law takes precedent over US law? This should be a really good waste of time.

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    Liquidmicro
    November 10, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Oh, Texano, your ignorance in assuming stupidity is showing your own hand. Again, the US Supreme Court has given Obama and the DNC until Dec 1 to respond to the Writ of Certiorari.
    “Either type of citizen
    can be President of the United States
    according to Article 2.”
    Irma, you are INCORRECT.
    “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President”
    The adoption of the US Constitution was when?? Almost a couple hundred years prior to Obama’s birth, therefor, he must be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ in order to qualify to become POTUS.
    I don’t care one way or the other, I, like you, did not vote for either of the two and limited my votes to the local elections of my state. However, if it does turn out that Obama is not a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ I believe he should be removed from holding office and the election re-done with a qualified Democrat nominee.
    Now, if you are going to argue the Constitutional Rights, know and understand the Constitution and ALL requirements to hold the Highest Office in our Land. Research is your friend.

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    Liquidmicro
    November 10, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Here is the understanding of the Qualification Clause.
    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/03.html#1
    Clause 5. Qualifications
    All Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Inde pendence. The only issue with regard to the qualifications set out in this clause, which appears to be susceptible of argument, is whether a child born abroad of American parents is ”a natural born citizen” in the sense of the clause. Such a child is a citizen as a consequence of statute. 94 Whatever the term ”natural born” means, it no doubt does not include a person who is ”naturalized.” Thus, the answer to the question might be seen to turn on the interpretation of the first sentence of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment, providing that ”[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States” are citizens. 95 Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that ”the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . . .” 96 This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural-born subjects of the crown. 97 There is reason to believe, therefore, that the phrase includes persons who become citizens at birth by statute because of their status in being born abroad of American citizens. 98 Whether the Supreme Court would decide the issue should it ever arise in a ”case or controversy” as well as how it might decide it can only be speculated about.
    Note the following above:
    “There is reason to believe, therefore, that the phrase includes persons who become citizens at birth by statute because of their status in being born abroad of American citizens.”
    Obama was born to a Citizen of the USA and a Citizen of Kenya, not two Citizens of the USA.
    So, if in fact he was born abroad, he would be dq’d. If it is shown that he is a ‘Natural Born Citizen’, then he has every Right to hold office.

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    Evelyn
    November 11, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Eyes said:
    Sorry, Obama in my book is not what our nation needs at this time in history. Of course, I see and understand his being elected is a historical event and a long time coming, but he leans so far to the left, he’s almost gone horizontal.
    The many questions I keep offering up are not from hate or racism, but no one seems to have an answer to some serious irregularities surrounding Obama and his political stance. For instance:
    1. Why can’t Obama provide a hospital issued birth certificate from Hawaii to put to rest the question of his status of natural born U.S. citizen?
    E
    Because they only give certified copies issued by state.
    2. Why has the Governor of Hawaii sealed Obamas “supposed” birth certificate from public access?
    E
    Because no one has the right to view someones birth cit. without permission.
    3. Why did Obamas staff post a fraudulent “certificate of live birth” on the internet if an original bitrh certificate was available?
    E
    That is just another of Jerome Corsi lies.
    4. What will be the objective of Obamas civilian security force which will have military training and military fire power?
    E
    Here is the full speech about National Security, it contains the part someone took out of context that you are and all the other Obama haters are refering to, It’s about creating jobs for Americans so before you start SMEARING his intentions with poisonous opinions.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw&feature=related
    5. Why isn’t anyone else asking these questions of Obama to obtain some hard facts about the change Obama will be bringing to all of us?
    E
    Because the only people still harping on these issues are those who will use any excuse to keep throwing hate and smear on the wall to see if something sticks because they hate Obama.
    ~~~~~~~~
    This will give you a clear picture of who is spreading all the lies and smear used by rabid hatemongers to keep these smears alive.
    The whole birth cirt. fiasco was concocted by Jerome R Corsi and his hate for Obama.
    This man and his lies are credited for John Kerry’s loss in 04.
    This Video shows who he is and what he has done.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otiIdV14Vho&feature=related
    This video exposes him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8foOU6n9S4&feature=related
    On FreeRepublic.com, Corsi has, among other things, said that “ragheads” are “boy buggers”; referred to “John F*ing Kerry”; called Senator Hillary Clinton a “Fat Hog”; referred to her daughter as “Chubby Chelsie” Clinton; referred to Janet Reno as “Janet Rhino”; called Katie Couric “Little Katie Communist”; suggested Kerry was “practicing Judaism”; and expressed the wish that a small plane that had crashed into a building in Los Angeles had instead crashed into the set of NBC’S The West Wing, thereby killing actor Martin Sheen.
    http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010
    Obama’s birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
    Posted: October 26, 2008
    By Jerome R. Corsi
    WorldNetDaily
    HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii’s Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate’s birth certificate under seal and instructed the state’s Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.
    The governor’s office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.
    “It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks,” wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor’s office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.
    Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or “registrant” according to the legal description from the governor’s office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.
    WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama’s birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.
    Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.
    Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi’s “The Obama Nation,” autographed by the author, exclusively from WND’s online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95.
    The source also refused to answer WND’s question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.
    The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama’s original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.
    WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the “Births, Marriages, Deaths” section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4.”
    In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.
    The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.
    In a startling development, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama’s birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
    Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. “natural born” citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.
    Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.
    In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.
    The Obama campaign website entitled “Fight the Smears” posts a state of Hawaii “Certificate of Live Birth” which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born.
    “Fight the Smears” declares, “The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.”
    Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate’s original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the “Fight the Smears” website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.
    http://perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=190701&forum_id=4
    NOW THE TRUTH!
    Born in the U.S.A.
    August 21, 2008
    Updated: November 1, 2008
    The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.
    Summary
    In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document’s authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is “fake.”
    We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
    Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu. Read the rest here, see picturs of birth cirt. and updates
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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    Alessandra
    November 11, 2008 at 8:12 am

    It is correct that Sharia Law stipulates the child takes on the religion of the father rather than the mother; that is why under Sharia it is permissible for a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman (only Christian or Jewish, though).
    This is an interesting situation in that Barack Obama has embraced the Christian faith, and since we do not (yet) recognize any aspect of Sharia Law in our nation he is, by all accounts Christian. However, for those who adhere strictly to fundamentalist Islam, he would still be considered a Muslim (to THEM). Furthermore, the penalty under Sharia law for apostacy is death. (Remember the highly publicized case a few years back in Afghanistan of the Muslim-turned-Christian man; he had to be given asylum in Italy as some of his more fervent countrymen were calling for his death).
    In conclusion, Obama is by choice a Christian, NOT Muslim to anyone who does not follow Sharia Law, but he would be considered as such by Muslims who do follow Sharia to the letter.
    The election is over, the people have spoken. This country faces some really tough times no matter who sits in the WH. I noticed Obama’s very somber demeanor after his intelligence briefing the other day. God only knows why anyone would want this job. I pray everyday for the leaders of this country that they will be granted the wisdom to make the right choices for our nation.
    For those unhappy with the outcome of the election, it’s time to move on. Do not look behind, only look to the future; 2012, 2016 will be here before we know it. Time would be better spent working towards the outcome of the next election.
    Right now I am alarmed by the continued spending, plunging ourselves deeper into debt. WE HAVE NO MONEY! We are just printing it or borrowing it from China. It will not help the economy, but continue to devalue our dollar. I wonder if we will end up like Russia where we will need a wheelbarrow full of $$$ to buy a loaf of bread.

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    Texano78704
    November 11, 2008 at 11:41 am

    I’m assuming stupidity? LOL!
    Mr. Berg’s case, Berg vs. Obama was dismissed from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Docket # 08-cv-4083 for lack of standing. Mr. Berg filed a Writ of Certiorari for review of the case and an injunction to stay the election pending review. Justice Souter denied the injunction. It is expected that the Court will decide whether or not to review Berg v. Obama after the Defendants file their response, and Mr. Berg has replied to the Defendant’s response.
    Link
    That would be Associate Justice of the US Supreme Court David Souter who has once already denied this absurd effort by right wingnuts. Time to move on people.

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    Irma
    November 11, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Liquid Micro,
    Sorry,but you are not entirely correct.
    The second ammendment is
    written in a vague manner.
    I have consulted with various sources including a English grammarian. There is more than one way to interpret the sentence from the Constitution that I stated. Your interpretation and my interpretation are valid.
    Look, you guys need to drop this. Barak Obama was born in the United States. He had a Muslim Kenyan father -who abandoned him. I dont know why some of the people who contribute to this forum seem to think that Islamic laws (religious) trumps US law (national) on US soil.
    Religious laws in fact do not define citizenship, goverment does. Jews by birth for example are Jewish only if the mother is Jewish. The nationality of that person is however defined by the country of birth. A Jew as defined by
    religious law is not automatically guaranteed by the state of Israel. They must apply for it and cannot assume that it will automaticlly be granted.
    The point is that the USA is the only country that has the right extend or deny US. citizenship. Barak Obama like you ( I presume) and me
    is a US citizen because the USA says he is.
    With all the problems facing our country, everyone should move on and support the President Elect – George
    W. Bush is leaving him a country in shambles.

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    Liquidmicro
    November 11, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    I said you are Ignorant for thinking others are stupid. I am also, now telling you, that your comprehension ability of what was said, also lacks.
    The writ of certiorari: certiorari is the writ that an appellate court issues to a lower court in order to review its judgment for legal error and review, where no appeal is available as a matter of right. Obama and the DNC have until Dec 1 to submit a response.
    A long form Birth Certificate was not used for verification, only a short form was used, an informational copy only. Berg is doing nothing more than requesting the long form, which is easily obtained by the individual named on the record, and/or parents of the individual named on the record. Long forms are used at the time of birth with the parents actual signatures, while the informational copy can be changed by the person filling out the form, hence the lawsuit.
    This is no different then the Hollander vs McCain/RNC case.
    As for Factcheck.org, look to the Annenberg Foundation since they own Factcheck. Then look who was Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. OBAMA. Conflict of Interest anyone?? Bueler?? Bueler??

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    Liquidmicro
    November 11, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    While I may disagree about your interpretation, with all due respect, the Senate holds the following about the clause:
    http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm#a2_sec1
    “This clause requires that in order to take the oath of office a president must be 35, a resident within the United States for 14 years, and a natural-born citizen. This last requirement raises the question of whether someone born to American parents outside of the United States would be eligible to hold the office.”
    I think your interpretation is focusing only on the part “,or a Citizen of the United States,”, for which you are taking the section out of its intended context. It is only feasible then in the “at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution”. For which prior to the adoption of the Constitution, the requirement was to be 35 years of age and to have been present in the US for a minimum of 14 years making the person a Citizen of the United States.
    The first 9 Presidents of the USA were born prior to the Ratification of the US Constitution, and fall under the “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President”.

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    Alessandra
    November 11, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    This is about as detailed of an explanation of what constitutes a natural born citizen and who qualifies for the presidency as I have found anywhere:
    http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

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    Irma
    November 12, 2008 at 9:19 am

    Liquidmicro,
    Ordinarily I say nothing when
    contributors to this forum fail to adhere to established rules of English grammar.
    I am not a snob. But when
    someone is impolite, arrogant
    and wrong – I draw the line.
    The first sentence of your last entry is not proper English. One simply does not say ” comprehension ability.”
    It is apparent that no one
    on this forum is going to convince you that Barak Obama is a US citizen.
    He will be the next President of the United
    States without your approval.
    I will not comment further on this matter.

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    Liquidmicro
    November 12, 2008 at 9:48 am

    I’m Sorry, Irma, that first sentence was directed towards Texano, not you. And yes, it should have been ‘comprehensive ability’. If you go back and read through my posts, you should note I had 2 conversations going.
    Your actually one, of only a couple in here, that can type without resorting to name calling and pointing fingers.
    As far as Obama being a US Citizen, I have explained myself, I don’t really care if he is or not. I have explained what the law suit was about, a long form birth certificate vs a short form. I have also explained Article 2, section 1, clause 5, and have shown that the Senate agrees with my interpretation, and why.
    Like I said the first 9 of 10 Presidents of the USA where born prior to the enactment and ratification of the US Constitution, hence the wording of clause 5. To be exact, 10 of the first 12 Presidents were born prior to the Ratification.

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    EYES OF TEXAS
    November 12, 2008 at 10:21 am

    A “certificate of live birth” is not a substitute for a hospital issued “birth certificate”. Once again, we have liberal judges, Obama supporters and fact checkers associated with Obama trying to uphold the facts about Obamas place of birth. Where is Obamas original hospital issued birth certificate? You know, the one with his parents signatures, doctors signature and the standard ink foot prints. If one exists, why doesn’t Obama present it and put an end to all the speculation? The Democratic party knows this is a question being asked by millions of people, yet they act like it’s a non-issue. Why don’t they require Obama to present a simple document and stop the rumors? Until Obama does so he will be considered an illegitimate President.

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    Texano78704
    November 12, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    “A “certificate of live birth” is not a substitute for a hospital issued “birth certificate”.
    And it says that exactly where in the US Constitution? The State of Hawaii is personally vouching for Obama, but the claim persists for a silly piece of paper, which states that are “closed record” states do not have to produce to anyone.
    As for the Writ of Certiorari, it really means nothing. Obama only has to respond to the writ, which is a request for appeal. Responding to the writ will prove nothing and both a US district court and the US Supreme Court have tossed this suit once already. No reason to believe that the US Supreme Court will agree to hear the appeal. But, by all means, let the right wingnuts spin their wheels.
    “This clause requires that in order to take the oath of office a president must be 35, a resident within the United States for 14 years, and a natural-born citizen. This last requirement raises the question of whether someone born to American parents outside of the United States would be eligible to hold the office.”
    In your mind there is a question, perhaps. McCain was born to US parents in a foreign country, yet clearly was and is eligible. And Congress concurs.
    Until Obama does so he will be considered an illegitimate President.
    This is hilarious. Why not just pack up your toys and leave? Shall we pretend Bush v. Gore never happened? Or the irregularities in voting machines in 2004? Or massive voter suppression in 2000 as well as 2004?

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    Evelyn
    November 13, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Here spin this! It is interesting to see the lengths you guys are willing to degrade yourselves to just to fool yourself into being right even when every one else can see you are wrong. If there were any truth to this venomous rumor the media would be all over it.
    Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate confirmed
    Pacific Business News (Honolulu)
    The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu.
    “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate,” said Chiyome Fukino. “State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”
    Citing her statutory authority to oversee and maintain Hawaii’s vital records, Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
    “No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii,” Fukino added.
    Lingle, a Republican, has been campaigning on the Mainland for Obama’s opponent, Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
    Obama, a Democratic senator from Illinois, was born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu. He graduated high school at Punahou School in 1979.
    http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories
    /2008/10/27/daily60.html
    The fact you think the Anninberg Foundation would degrade themselves and lie for Barack Obama just because he worked for them was well down right funny.

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