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New Pew study suggests the Latino swing vote has already swung

LatinaLista — News released this week shows that as of July 1, 2008, there are one million net new Latino voters added to the rolls for this next presidential election.
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(Source: www.patrickruffini.com/ research)
The surge of voters is a result of the more than 500,000 new Latino voters who turned out in California and Texas during the primaries. These two states account for 50 percent of Latino voters nationwide, according to the data gathered by the William C. Velasquez Institute.
With these new figures, it’s easier to see how the Latino vote really be classified as a swing vote in this election. After all, that’s a million more votes that weren’t anticipated to make a difference.
Yet, the results of a new Pew report show that when it comes the the Latino vote, the swing has already started swinging and may have just already swung to one side.


A Pew Hispanic report released today shows Latino registered voters favor Barack Obama over John McCain by 66% to 23% and it seems Obama’s magnetism doesn’t end there.
In the survey which asked a little over 2,000 Latino registered voters their preferences, Obama even outscored Hillary Clinton among Latino voters — 76% versus 73%.
The survey points out that while McCain certainly is now the one with the “Latino problem,” Obama has a different kind of problem, but all too familiar.
It seems former Clinton Anglo supporters have a problem with Obama. Though 70% have said they will vote for him, 18% have switched parties to support McCain.
Predictably, the results of the Latino registered voters’ preferences also reflect on which party Latinos are more prone to join. You guessed it — the Democratic Party is the #1 choice.
These findings come on the heels of a noticeable effort by the McCain campaign to finally reach out to Latino bloggers and journalists.
But is it already too late?
It’s all too apparent that if McCain wants the Hispanic vote he’ll have to learn to talk to this electorate and not at us; quit voicing vague comments about border security and give a definite timeline to when there will be an address of the immigration issue and talk to Latino audiences without also including reference to your military history.
The time has come to move beyond the “get acquainted” stage and lay out what will Latino voters receive in exchange for our votes.
As new reports indicate, the Latino vote is still swinging. The real question is — where will it stop?

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    laura
    July 24, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Dear Marisa,
    you say,
    “It’s all too apparent that if McCain wants the Hispanic vote he’ll have to learn to talk to this electorate and not at us; quit voicing vague comments about border security and give a definite timeline to when there will be an address of the immigration issue and talk to Latino audiences without also including reference to your military history.”
    He may (or may not) do all that. But as long as the Republicans continue the hate speech, anti-Latino racism, and state-sponsored violence against Lationa/o families, as perpetrated by ICE, I doubt the Republican candidate for President will get many Latina/o votes.
    Why are the Republicans doing this? Shouldn’t they worry about the Latina/o votes they are losing?
    Yes – but they worry more about finding someone else (who can’t talk back) to blame for the disastrous results of their disastrous policies. They don’t want to take the blame for the dropping wages, unemployment, packed emergency rooms, decaying schools, foreclosed houses, and for the killing and mayhem in Iraq – which they caused. Nor for the energy crisis and the food price inflation. They will find ways to blame this on Latina/o immigrants too.
    Plus – racism comes very easily to most of them. So does violence.
    So they really can’t help themselves. Most Republicans will not stop their anti-Latino hate campaign. The Republican candidate McCain will bear the consequences.

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    Frank
    July 25, 2008 at 7:53 am

    Geesh, should the two candidates also lay out what they are going to give whites in exchange for THEIR votes? Why do the candidates have to make promises to voters by ethniticy and race? Unbelievable that our country has come to this.

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    EYES OF TEXAS
    July 25, 2008 at 8:12 am

    At least McCain has a military history and past experience to talk about and Obama gets offensive when someone brings up his past. The truth be known, Obama is hiding something about himself that would destroy any chance of being elected. He can’t be trusted, yet the sheeple seem to flock to him for all the wrong reasons. This man must be stopped before he has a chance to destroy our nation. If not, the U.S.A. will never recover.

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    El Loco
    July 25, 2008 at 9:32 am

    What really caught my attention was that even with the traditionally Republican Cuban-American community, Obama leads somewhere around 52%-39%.
    However, I always believed that when the choice came down to Obama v. McCain, it would be a no-brainer who most Latinos would support.

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    laura
    July 25, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    El Loco, you say “However, I always believed that when the choice came down to Obama v. McCain, it would be a no-brainer who most Latinos would support.”
    I agree. But there are two big steps between preferring a candidate, and actually registering to vote, and voting.
    In order for Latina/os to be motivated to take those steps, maybe Senator Obama should get more specific with respect to his plans. I keep getting back to Marisa’s questionnaire. I would like to see Senator Obama specifically answer some of those very specific questions.

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    Evelyn
    July 25, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    July 19, 2008 – 5:36PM
    Mexican files $75K claim against Gilbert police
    David Biscobing, Tribune
    Armando Rodriguez-Morales got justice in court. And now, the 60-year-old Mexican citizen wants Gilbert police to pay.
    Charges against Mexican motorist dropped
    Morales, his wife and two family friends have filed a $75,000 notice of claims against the town stemming from a December traffic stop when they were left stranded on the side of the road in a high-crime area of Mesa after an officer had their car improperly towed.
    The claim was filed May 15. Morales, who lives in Hermosillo, Mexico, couldn’t be reached for comment.
    Lawyers believe Morales could get more in the case, the claim states. However, to avoid the cost of litigation and court delays, they decided to settle for less. Morales is seeking $45,000 for himself and $10,000 each for the others.
    On Dec. 14, while on holiday DUI patrol, officer Chad Wright pulled over Morales at a Mesa intersection for “illegal backing,” meaning his vehicle rolled backward after stopping. Morales had a Mexican driver’s license, and his vehicle had Sonora license plates. Wright decided the license and insurance papers were falsified and ordered the car towed. Both were later verified by the Mexican consulate.
    Morales was visiting from Mexico for a wedding. He and the others were left stranded with their luggage near Broadway Road and Mesa Drive. Gilbert police later released the car and the San Tan justice of the peace dropped all charges.
    The incident quickly caught the attention of Mesa Police Chief George Gascón after members of the Morales family sent a complaint to city officials. Gascón forwarded the complaint to Gilbert, prompting an internal investigation of Wright. The inquiry found Wright violated multiple department policies, including violations of abuse, loss of Morales’ property and not reporting facts properly or accurately.
    In the claim, lawyers said Wright stopped the car because he suspected the driver and occupants were illegal immigrants. “Officer Wright’s conduct and statements on the night in question leave no doubt that his actions were racially motivated,” the claim said.
    Wright was cleared of the racial profiling charge. But after reviewing Wright’s traffic stop records, the Tribune learned he ticketed Hispanic drivers at a rate nearly double the department average.
    Wright, an eight-year veteran, was removed from traffic duty after the investigation and reassigned to patrol. He also was given a written warning.
    “I do believe his extensive commitment to removing impaired drivers has narrowed his focus,” Cmdr. Ken Buckland wrote in a report. “This I believe, ultimately led to his less than favorable decisions in this case.”
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    Embracing racism doesent pay!

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    Evelyn
    July 26, 2008 at 2:46 am

    Again Racism doesent pay!
    Pinch of Racism
    “Deport the Pilgrims” – says this ‘graffiti ad media’ . The artist used this mailbox just south of Adams Morgan in Washington DC, USA to deliver his/her 2 cents on the area’s immigration debate.
    Last October the citizens of Prince William Country in Virginia let their racism get the better of them and decided to run their tax paying Latino neighbors out of town. To do this they passed racial profiling laws which allowed cops to pull over anyone they felt might be an illegal immigrant thus a “crime suspect”, question them about their immigration status, lock them up, and disrupt the lives of citizens who just happen to be driving, walking, or working while Latino or
    an immigrant. They claimed these measures were to ‘rid their county of illegal immigrantion.’ With all that hostility, legal and illegal immigrants started leaving town. Over 700 kids went missing from the county’s ESL programs reserved for legal residents. Some took this as “evidence” that ‘the illegals were here’. But the big pinch from the County’s racism came in the form of a tax shortfall.
    You don’t have to be an economist to know that if you run your tax payers out of town, you are running out your taxes. The County’s officials started coming up with ideas to raise money for their ‘surprise’ budget deficit while holding on to their racist laws. First up was raising property taxes by a whopping 5% – to which the citizens said “Hell no!” Hmm… (racists don’t like paying for their racism?) Next up was dismantling their justice infrastructure even further – they moved to removed cameras from police cars (a cost savings of over $3 million) so there would be no evidence when the cops harass citizens for driving while Latino.
    Last night residents who don’t want to shoulder the tax burden that residents fleeing racism have left behind, forced their County officials to change the rules of harassment – immigration status will be checked only after an arrest is made in Prince William County.
    -Special Guest

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    Frank
    July 26, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Right! So why are you embracing it?

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    Evelyn
    July 26, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Leaving the white washing machine stuck on the SPIN cycle wont help. Sooner or later the dirt will come out in the wash.

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    Liquidmicro
    July 26, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Evelyn,
    You are still posting other bloggers opinions and claiming them to be news? Claiming them to be fact? You don’t even give credit to them, you just take their postings and run with them.
    I especially like this statement, “Next up was dismantling their justice infrastructure even further – they moved to removed cameras from police cars (a cost savings of over $3 million) so there would be no evidence when the cops harass citizens for driving while Latino.”
    PWC never had cameras in their cars to begin with, so how can they then be removed from them? There is no savings of $3M because there was never an expense of $3M.
    Or how about this for the tax rate increase:
    http://www.prlog.org/10056427-prince-william-county-explains-projected-tax-changes-to-handle-illegals.html
    Mar 11, 2008 – Here is the text of an email message to a constitute to clarify the upcoming PWC proposed tax changes and budget issues.
    Dear Resident of PWC-
    Thank you for taking the time to email me with your concern regarding the FY 09 county budget and the proposed tax rate. I appreciate you taking the time to contact me with your concerns.
    At the outset, I want to dispel one piece of information that has been misreported in the press. There are no proposals whatsoever to raise taxes by 20 or 30 percent. This number was derived by looking at the proposed increase in the tax rate rather than by looking at what the increase in the average tax bill would be under that proposed rate.
    This can be somewhat confusing. As you know, the tax rate is simply an amount that the county applies against the overall value of a particular parcel of property. The overall tax bill is calculated by applying the adopted tax rate against every $100 of value of the particular parcel.
    For example, if someone’s home is worth $400,000 and the tax rate is $1.00, the tax bill will be $4,000. If the value of the $400,000 home drops to $200,000, but the tax rate remains the same ($1.00), the tax bill will drop to $2,000. This would represent a “tax cut” in real dollars, even through the tax rate remains the same. Similarly, the BOCS could adopt a $2.00 tax rate under this scenario, meaning that the homeowner’s tax bill would remain $4,000 (a flat tax bill in real dollars) even though the rate increased by 100 percent. Finally, an even larger increase in the rate could be adopted under this scenario, and at that point we would start to see an actual tax increase in real dollars.
    Putting the matter into actual historical context provides a good example of decreasing tax rates yet increasing tax bills. I was not a member of the BOCS during these years, but from FY 04 to FY 07 the BOCS cut the tax rate every year, many times by several cents. Yet the average tax bill for residential taxpayers increased in each of those years (by 11.8 % in FY 04, by 9.2% in FY 05, by 6.4% in FY 06, and by 7.3% in FY 07). The reason for this was because during those years the increase in average property tax values outpaced the yearly reductions to the tax rate.
    In contrast, looking at last year’s budget and tax rate provides a good example of increasing tax rates yet decreasing tax bills. Specifically, in FY 08 the BOCS actually increased the tax rate from 75.8 cents to 78.7 cents. Yet despite this 2.9 cent increase in the tax rate, the average tax bill in real dollars decreased by about 1.1%. The reason for this was because last year the decrease in average property tax values outpaced the FY 08 increase to the tax rate.
    As you are probably aware, property values have continued to decline since last year. In fact, they have declined so precipitously that we would have to raise the tax rate by 19% (from 78.7 cents to about 93 cents) just to bring in the same amount of revenue as we brought in last year. However, as I have explained above, such an increase in the rate would not equate to an increase in the average tax bill in real dollars.
    I have not presented the foregoing information to be confusing. Rather, I think it is important when discussing county fiscal policy to ensure that citizens understand the bottom line—namely, how much more or less they will have to pay under a given proposal, regardless of the actual tax rate.
    In addition, I think a few other points bear mentioning. First, because all property is different, the county must discuss tax policy as it applies to “the average tax bill.” Thus, there are scenarios where individuals will see tax increases in real dollars when the average bill goes down, and there are also scenarios where individuals will see tax cuts in real dollars when the average bill goes up.
    Second, the county is not permitted to bifurcate commercial and residential property tax rates under state law. This leads to policy challenges because during times when residential is over-valued and commercial is under-valued, the former will on average have higher tax bills, while the latter will see a windfall. In today’s market, the opposite is true. Thus, while the increase in the property tax rate this year may have a minimal impact on average residential bills, it could have a much more pronounced impact on commercial property tax bills.
    Finally, I think it bears mentioning that some politicians have added to the confusion of these matters over the past several years by boasting of “cutting tax rates.” During this time, the press has reported on these matters in a similar fashion. I think this is why they have focused on the 28 to 30 percent increase in the rate rather than the increase in actual bills.
    In your email, you mentioned the possibility of a PWC sales tax to fund our illegal immigration measures. Unfortunately the county does not have the legislative authority to impose such a tax on its own; however, we could ask the General Assembly to grant us such power. To be honest, the chances of that happening are remote. In any event, I do agree with you that it is important that we look for equitable ways to raise the appropriate revenues to fund the initiative.
    With all of that said, the county executive’s draft budget does propose an increase to the average tax bill of 8%. The majority of this proposed increase is scheduled to fund three main areas: 1) full funding of the police and fire and rescue staffing plans; 2) preliminary implementation of the recommended changes to fire and rescue staffing levels and procedures as proposed by the “Line of Duty Death Report,” which was drafted following the tragic death of firefighter Kyle Wilson; and, 3) our measures to attempt to address illegal immigration to the extent permissible under local authority. It is also important to note that the Prince William County School Board has stated that in order to fully fund their budget, they would need us to increase the average residential tax bill by 10% (assuming they receive 57% of county revenue, which is consistent with the revenue sharing agreement between the BOCS and the School Board).
    As you know, we are in the preliminary stages of our budget procedures. For my part, I will be looking very closely at the proposal, as well as the base budget to identify savings wherever possible. The key, in my estimation, is finding the appropriate balance between the need to provide quality county level services to our residents and the need to avoid unduly burdensome tax bills on our residents. I will certainly keep your comments in mind as I consider the ways to achieve that balance.
    Again, thank you for your email. Should you have any further questions or concerns, I hope you will not hesitate to contact me.
    Sincerely,
    Michael C. May
    Occoquan District Supervisor
    2241-B Tackett’s Mill Drive
    Woodbridge, Virginia 22192
    (703) 792-4643 (phone)
    (703) 792-4833 (fax)
    Looks to me that they have had tax increases yearly since ’04, “Yet the average tax bill for residential taxpayers increased in each of those years (by 11.8 % in FY 04, by 9.2% in FY 05, by 6.4% in FY 06, and by 7.3% in FY 07).” So I don’t see where the proposed 5% is anything different than what they have had in the past, it’s actually less than previous years increases.
    How about the savings in the ESL classes alone $8M dollars is pretty significant for roughly 700 kids, don’t you think? Did this savings now contribute to the lesser tax increase of only 5% vs what could have been higher?
    http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/21/loudoun-county-taxpayers-paying-a-high-price-for-illegal-immigration-in-our-schools/
    “As the Washington Examiner reported last week, Prince William County public schools reported over 600 ESL students left the system following that county’s crackdown on illegal aliens. This reduction of students would equate to a roughly $8 million reduction in expenses for the school system alone. Verifed and anecdotal evidence (from the news story and what we have seen here in Loudoun) suggests many of those illegal aliens have headed north into neighboring jurisdictions.”

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    Evelyn
    July 28, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Say Liquid, I hate to be the bearer of really really bad news but, the site you left as proof of what they say as being correct has a BIG problem. Here is a list of their resources.
    ROTFLMAO!!!OOooooooo!
    You know, that little thing about using CREDIBLE non racist sites for proof.
    Resources
    AIC
    ALIPAC
    American Patrol Report
    ANCIR
    Center For Immigration Studies
    Choose Black America
    Citizens For A Constitutional Republic
    Coalition for the Future American Worker
    Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus
    Dan Stein Report
    DeportAliens
    Diversity Alliance
    Dustin Inman Society
    FAIR
    FIRE Coalition
    For The Cause
    Frosty Woolridge
    Grassfire
    Help Save Herndon
    Help Save Manassas
    Help Save Hampton Roads
    Help Save Loudoun
    Help Save Loudoun PAC
    Immigration Buzz
    IllegalAliens.US
    Immigration Watchdog
    Immigration’s Human Cost
    Institute For Immigration Policy Review
    Lou Dobbs
    Mothers Against Illegal Aliens
    National Border Patrol Council
    NumbersUSA
    Outsource Outrage
    Report Illegals
    Save Our State
    Save Stafford
    Small Town Defenders
    State Legislators For Legal Immigration
    The Social Contract
    Team America
    U.S. Border Control
    USCIS
    U.S. Immigration Reform PAC
    VDARE.com
    Veterans For Secure Borders
    We Hate Gringos
    We Hire Aliens
    You Don’t Speak For Me
    Of all of um Frosty wins, Lou Lies comes in a close second……as the mostest racists.

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    Evelyn
    July 28, 2008 at 2:47 am

    Liquidmicro :said
    Evelyn,
    You are still posting other bloggers opinions and claiming them to be news? Claiming them to be fact? You don’t even give credit to them, you just take their postings and run with them.
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    I post them like I find them.
    I never take credit for the composition.
    I dont post them for your benefit. Only to expose your lies.
    If you can get Marisa to ask me to stop, I will.
    Of course I dont expect you to “like” anything that exposes your lies.
    You are more then welcome to debunk them with credible evidence that comes from a study or non racest website.
    Or expose your racism even further using a racist website. I dont care one way or the other.
    I will continue posting them as long as I am allowed.

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    Liquidmicro
    July 28, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Evelyn, I hate to be the bearer of really really bad news but, the site you left as proof of what they say as being correct has a BIG problem, its mis-informed and factually incorrect.
    From vox’s own links to the WAPO.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/27/AR2008042702432_pf.html
    “Prince William’s schools expect to save $6 million in education costs as a result of the exodus — a cost that will be borne by the other communities. Some officials in Fairfax and elsewhere say they expect the numbers to climb in the next academic year.”
    Or from this link from Vox.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/29/AR2008042902990_pf.html
    “The board unanimously supported changing course after slashing $3.1 million from its budget to “install” (install being the key word here) video cameras in police cars to enforce the county’s illegal-immigration policy. Police said they needed cameras to protect officers from accusations of racial profiling.
    The board’s change in the immigration policy came before it considered the county budget for the fiscal year that begins July 1. The supervisors approved a fiscal 2009 budget of $893 million. That brings the property tax rate to 97 cents per $100 of assessed valuation, amounting to a 5 percent increase in the tax bill of the average homeowner.
    The supervisors cut an additional $1.2 million in related police, foster care and protective services for the children of deported illegal immigrants last week. Other cuts included a reduction in proposed fire and rescue staffing.”
    All pretty much saying the same things that I have posted from which you have called them lies and racist sites. Instead of clammering about racist sites, try to refute the facts. Now please, show me were I lied or my posting is full of lies or mis-information.

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    Evelyn
    July 30, 2008 at 1:17 am

    Horace the article you produced stated,
    With all of that said, the county executive’s draft budget does propose an increase to the average tax bill of 8%. The majority of this proposed increase
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    The article I showed said 5% so they had to increase it 3% more
    ~~~
    All pretty much saying the same things that I have posted from which you have called them lies and racist sites. Instead of clammering about racist sites, try to refute the facts. Now please, show me were I lied or my posting is full of lies or mis-information.
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    I never said they were lies, I showed they were chock full of racist. Not credible.
    You’re welcome to spin this issue all you want. It’s not going to change facts.
    Bottom line is, “You don’t have to be an economist to know that if you run your tax payers out of town, you are running out your taxes.”
    “Last night residents who don’t want to shoulder the tax burden that residents fleeing racism have left behind, forced their County officials to change the rules of harassment – immigration status will be checked only after an arrest is made in Prince William County.”
    RACISM DOESNT PAY! Not even spinning it!

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    Frank
    July 30, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Right, racism doesn’t pay so why to you adhere to it Evelyn?

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    Liquidmicro
    July 30, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Evelyn asks:
    The article I showed said 5% so they had to increase it 3% more?
    No, the letter was a preliminary letter explaining what may happen. The City counsel voted down the following:
    The supervisors cut an additional $1.2 million in related police, foster care and protective services for the children of deported illegal immigrants last week. Other cuts included a reduction in proposed fire and rescue staffing. Not to mention, they didn’t have to spend $3M for video cameras and the cost savings from ESL classes.
    Evelyn says:
    “Bottom line is, “You don’t have to be an economist to know that if you run your tax payers out of town, you are running out your taxes.”
    Nor do you need to be an economist to know that the housing bubble burst and homes being re-evaluated lower for tax savings by the owner also lowers the amount of tax revenue for the city. PWC has an already recovering housing market, so this nullifies running tax payers out of town.
    Ignorance and biasness don’t become you, although you show both with great pride.
    Evelyn says:
    “I never said they were lies, I showed they were chock full of racist. Not credible.”
    Then what is this that you said earlier @ 7/28 2:47AM?
    “I dont post them for your benefit. Only to expose your lies.”
    Seems, even from your deemed racist web site, my facts are credible and very much not lies. Sorry, but your bubble just burst.

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    Evelyn
    August 1, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    I swear I tried to be fair to you Liquid.
    I spent thirty minutes reading and re reading your post.
    Then I called my daughter and she and her friend came over and we spent another hour going over it. None of us can make heads or tales of it.
    IT ISN’T EVEN A MEDIOCRE ATTEMPT AT SPIN.
    It just doesent make any sence to me.
    Believe me when I say I am being sincere.

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    Liquidmicro
    August 2, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Evelyn says:
    “IT ISN’T EVEN A MEDIOCRE ATTEMPT AT SPIN.”
    Follow the entire discussion, Evelyn. I understand you have many discussions with many people, and that you can become easily confused from all of it, like calling me Horace when he in fact has not even posted in this topic.
    Lets see if I can minimize it for you:
    Posted by Evelyn | 26 de Julio 2008 a las 02:46 AM
    They claimed these measures were to ‘rid their county of illegal immigrantion.’ With all that hostility, legal and illegal immigrants started leaving town. Over 700 kids went missing from the county’s ESL programs reserved for legal residents. Some took this as “evidence” that ‘the illegals were here’. But the big pinch from the County’s racism came in the form of a tax shortfall.
    You don’t have to be an economist to know that if you run your tax payers out of town, you are running out your taxes. The County’s officials started coming up with ideas to raise money for their ‘surprise’ budget deficit while holding on to their racist laws. First up was raising property taxes by a whopping 5% – to which the citizens said “Hell no!” Hmm… (racists don’t like paying for their racism?) Next up was dismantling their justice infrastructure even further – they moved to removed cameras from police cars (a cost savings of over $3 million) so there would be no evidence when the cops harass citizens for driving while Latino.
    Posted by Liquidmicro | 26 de Julio 2008 a las 12:03 PM
    I especially like this statement, “Next up was dismantling their justice infrastructure even further – they moved to removed cameras from police cars (a cost savings of over $3 million) so there would be no evidence when the cops harass citizens for driving while Latino.”
    PWC never had cameras in their cars to begin with, so how can they then be removed from them? There is no savings of $3M because there was never an expense of $3M.

    (letter from Michael May)

    Looks to me that they have had tax increases yearly since ’04, “Yet the average tax bill for residential taxpayers increased in each of those years (by 11.8 % in FY 04, by 9.2% in FY 05, by 6.4% in FY 06, and by 7.3% in FY 07).” So I don’t see where the proposed 5% is anything different than what they have had in the past, it’s actually less than previous years increases.
    How about the savings in the ESL classes alone? $8M dollars is pretty significant for roughly 700 kids, don’t you think? Did this savings now contribute to the lesser tax increase of only 5% vs what could have been higher?
    Posted by Evelyn | 28 de Julio 2008 a las 02:47 AM
    I post them like I find them.
    I never take credit for the composition.
    I dont post them for your benefit. Only to expose your lies.
    If you can get Marisa to ask me to stop, I will.
    Of course I dont expect you to “like” anything that exposes your lies.
    You are more then welcome to debunk them with credible evidence that comes from a study or non racest website.
    Or expose your racism even further using a racist website. I dont care one way or the other.
    I will continue posting them as long as I am allowed.
    Posted by Liquidmicro | 28 de Julio 2008 a las 04:51 PM
    From vox’s own links to the WAPO.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/27/AR2008042702432_pf.html
    “Prince William’s schools expect to save $6 million in education costs as a result of the exodus — a cost that will be borne by the other communities. Some officials in Fairfax and elsewhere say they expect the numbers to climb in the next academic year.”
    Or from this link from Vox.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/29/AR2008042902990_pf.html
    “The board unanimously supported changing course after slashing $3.1 million from its budget to “install” (install being the key word here) video cameras in police cars to enforce the county’s illegal-immigration policy. Police said they needed cameras to protect officers from accusations of racial profiling.
    The board’s change in the immigration policy came before it considered the county budget for the fiscal year that begins July 1. The supervisors approved a fiscal 2009 budget of $893 million. That brings the property tax rate to 97 cents per $100 of assessed valuation, amounting to a 5 percent increase in the tax bill of the average homeowner.
    The supervisors cut an additional $1.2 million in related police, foster care and protective services for the children of deported illegal immigrants last week. Other cuts included a reduction in proposed fire and rescue staffing.”
    Posted by Evelyn | 30 de Julio 2008 a las 01:17 AM
    Horace the article you produced stated,
    With all of that said, the county executive’s draft budget does propose an increase to the average tax bill of 8%. The majority of this proposed increase
    E
    The article I showed said 5% so they had to increase it 3% more
    ~~~
    LM
    All pretty much saying the same things that I have posted from which you have called them lies and racist sites. Instead of clamoring about racist sites, try to refute the facts. Now please, show me were I lied or my posting is full of lies or mis-information.
    E
    I never said they were lies, I showed they were chock full of racist. Not credible.
    You’re welcome to spin this issue all you want. It’s not going to change facts.
    Bottom line is, “You don’t have to be an economist to know that if you run your tax payers out of town, you are running out your taxes.”
    “Last night residents who don’t want to shoulder the tax burden that residents fleeing racism have left behind, forced their County officials to change the rules of harassment – immigration status will be checked only after an arrest is made in Prince William County.”
    RACISM DOESNT PAY! Not even spinning it!
    Posted by Liquidmicro | 30 de Julio 2008 a las 07:54 PM
    Evelyn asks:
    The article I showed said 5% so they had to increase it 3% more?
    LM
    No, the letter was a preliminary letter explaining what may happen. The City counsel voted down the following:
    The supervisors cut an additional $1.2 million in related police, foster care and protective services for the children of deported illegal immigrants last week. Other cuts included a reduction in proposed fire and rescue staffing. Not to mention, they didn’t have to spend $3M for video cameras and the cost savings from ESL classes.
    Evelyn says:
    “Bottom line is, “You don’t have to be an economist to know that if you run your tax payers out of town, you are running out your taxes.”
    LM
    Nor do you need to be an economist to know that the housing bubble burst and homes being re-evaluated lower for tax savings by the owner also lowers the amount of tax revenue for the city. PWC has an already recovering housing market, so this nullifies running tax payers out of town.
    Evelyn says:
    “I never said they were lies, I showed they were chock full of racist. Not credible.”
    Then what is this that you said earlier @ 7/28 2:47AM?
    “I dont post them for your benefit. Only to expose your lies.”
    Seems, even from your deemed racist web site (my site from novatownhall), my facts are credible and very much not lies.
    Posted by Evelyn | 1 de Agosto 2008 a las 11:48 PM
    I swear I tried to be fair to you Liquid.
    I spent thirty minutes reading and re reading your post.
    Then I called my daughter and she and her friend came over and we spent another hour going over it. None of us can make heads or tales of it.
    IT ISN’T EVEN A MEDIOCRE ATTEMPT AT SPIN.
    It just doesent make any sence to me.
    Believe me when I say I am being sincere.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    1.) What I have done is refute what you deem a racist web site (novatownhall) as being a credible source for factual information.
    2.) I showed that your Blog article is factually incorrect by claiming racism in PWC and the policies they enact.

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