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Univision Shocks Latino Community With Political Donation to Known Punitive Immigration Legislator

LatinaLista — From all news accounts, Univision, the lone giant among U.S. Spanish-language broadcasters, is on course to go mainstream.

We first caught a hint of this when they paired up with CNN for the presidential debates. Now, Univision is creating a content partnership with the technology review site CNET and teaming up with Viva Vision, a mobile entertainment content provider.
Obviously, Univision is embarking on an ambitious plan to grow viewers and visitors.
So when news broke today that Univision had contributed $1,000 in PAC funds to the committee of a known opponent of unauthorized immigrants, the Friends of Cliff Stearns, eyebrows just didn’t arch. As one friend in an email to Latina Lista wrote,

“Unbelievable! I’m sitting here with my mouth hanging open and I’m not shocked by much anymore.”


The story, originally uncovered by Candidato USA, outlined how Univision’s political action committee contributed $1,000 to the committee of Florida congressman Cliff Stearns who

was a co-sponsor of H.R. 4437 (The Border Protection, Anti-terrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005), which was popularly known as the Sensenbrenner Bill. He is also a co-sponsor of the pending immigration enforcement bill H.R. 4088 formally entitled the Secure America Through Verification and Enforcement (SAVE) Act of 2007. Stearns’ stance on immigration is spelled out on his campaign website, which includes the statement “Let me assure you that I will oppose any bill that contains amnesty provisions.”


FL Congressman Cliff Stearns
For a network, whose viewership is comprised of the very people Stearns continually targets to drive out of the country, it defies explanation as to why Univision’s PAC committee would hand over any kind of monetary support to him to continue to draft the type of punitive immigration legislation he is known for.
As examples, the following are among his other “accomplishments:”

STEARNS OPPOSES BILL PROVIDING ILLEGAL ALIENS ACCESS TO SCHIP FUNDING 9.25.07
STEARNS OFFERS AMENDMENT PROTECTING BUSINESSES THAT REQUIRE EMPLOYEES TO SPEAK ENGLISH ON THE JOB 7.26.07
STEARNS VOTES WITH HOUSE IN APPROVING THE SECURE FENCE ACT 9.14.06
STEARNS GIVEN CAREER RATING OF A+ ON IMMIGRATION ISSUES BY AMERICANS FOR BETTER IMMIGRATION (ABI) 5.23.06

Mónica Talán, vice president of corporate communications at Univision, called Latina Lista to explain that while it is corporate policy not to comment on Univision’s PAC contributions, she would say that the company looks “beyond one issue” and tries to weigh all the important issues such as education, healthcare, etc. when deciding on a donation.
She also pointed out that Univision has given more than $1 billion in support of Hispanic community-based programs.
Be that as it may, it still doesn’t rationally explain why a company that provides supportive programming, spearheads citizenship campaigns and presents itself as an ally to their viewers, of whom they know a large portion are undocumented, would on the other hand quietly help fund efforts to legislatively target the same people.
It is a shameful game of politics, that for reasons only known to them, Univision is willing to gamble with their corporate credibility, the trust of their viewers and the fate of their business.
With news that Televisa, Univision’s major supplier of programming, is preparing to face the network in a Los Angeles federal court next month to sever their 16-year-old exclusive licensing agreement because of a dispute over royalty payments, Univision can’t afford to lose the support of their loyal viewers as well.
Unfortunately for Univision, this is not a simple mistake but an offensive act against the Latino community who have fought side-by-side with Univision in defending the humane treatment and dignity of the undocumented.
For Univision to repair its less-than-stellar current reputation, it must come clean with their viewers and employees and explain their funding choice.
It’s one thing to build a strategy for future growth, but quite another to deceive the very people who are depended upon for that growth.

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    Jax
    March 20, 2008 at 8:56 am

    I don’t see what all the furor is about. Univision gave a small amount to Stearns and it probably doesn’t do much more but keep lines of communication open.
    Everything that Stearns has done regarding immigration issues seems to be about right.
    Helping illegals go back home while protecting American citizens from this hispanic invasion is an admirable trait.
    The fact that Univision has Spanish language programming, much of it in very taste and none of it elevating, makes me believe that the network is a negative for immigrants. They would be better off learning English.

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    Dee
    March 20, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    I am shocked by their donation. I guess the almighty dollar creates strange bedfellows! Stearns has a deplorable record with promoting restrictionist Immigration policies which impact people negatively.

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    DM
    March 20, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    “hispanic invasion is an admirable trait”
    Do you even realize how bigoted that statement is?

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    jax
    March 20, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    DM:
    Did you read the complete sentence that included to comment?
    The entire sentence makes perfectly good sense.

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    Frank
    March 20, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    How is the truth bigoted? The fact is that the majority of illegals are from Latino countries.

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    laura
    March 20, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Cliff Stearns is one of the signatories of the Shuler-Tancredo “Deport em All” bill.
    Interesting that Univision is donating money to a man who wants to deport millions of their viewers. From a strictly business perspective, how intelligent are they ?

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    Evelyn
    March 21, 2008 at 3:12 am

    Since we are on the subject of INVASIONS, how about these that really happened. Why talk about people who carry mops, vacuum cleaners and brooms as weapons of choice. It’s more real to talk about those invasions where people carry rifles and grenades.
    The Future U.S. Invasion of Mexico
    by
    Professor Lorenzo Cano
    University of Houston
    When many democratically elected governments have pursued policies contrary to the interests of the wealthy elite in the United States, the leaders of those countries have experienced the wrath of United States intervention in its many forms, including an invasion and occupation by American troops. During the early threats leading up to theU.S. pre-emptive invasion of Iraq, a growing number of Mexicans from all levels of society began discussing the possibility of a future invasion of their own country by the United States. Was this an overreaction by a paranoid sector of Mexico’s population? Is a future invasion and occupation of México by the United States a likely scenario in the foreseeable future? Could events in México crystallize into an illegal invasion of our southern neighbor? This may not be such a far-fetched possibility in light of current U.S. foreign policy and the thrust towards a new world order by certain U.S. economic and political elites and other fanatics such as Dick Cheney.
    Like George W. Bush, many presidents before him have also overwhelmingly supported governments that were anti-democratic and in many cases brutal dictators as long as they had generally appeased the policies of the rich and powerful in the United States. Through a variety of means the United States has intervened in many countries to the disadvantage of democratic forces in power or seeking power at this time. Among some of the countries that either of these two scenarios have occurred are: Guatemala, Chile, Columbia, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Cuba, Panama, Granada, Venezuela, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and others including Mexico. (see http://www.venezuelafoia.info)
    Historical Patterns of Intervention
    Abraham Lincoln spoke passionately as a United States congressman in 1846 accusing the newly elected President, James K. Polk, of pursuing a policy of military aggression against the Republic of Mexico. Mexico’s refusal to sell some of its land in northwestern Mexico (now seen as part of the U. S. Southwest) incensed Polk and his followers of Manifest destiny. Manifest destiny was a growing racist ideology. It was a belief in the inevitable territorial expansion of the United States, especially as advocated by southern slaveholders who wished to extend slavery into new te rritories. Unfortunately for Mexico, as protested by Lincoln, United States troops entered, at best, disputed territory between the Nueces River (current day Corpus Christi) and Brownsville, Texas, and then proceeded to establish a naval blockade of the Rio Bravo (Rio Grande), an act of war under international law. Mexico subsequently lost half its territory which played up to the interests of southern slave owners. After the war economic elites in the United States saw the land as an opportunity for commerce and new wealth.
    Gee, these REAL INVASIONS make the fake invasions that the racist make up look more like cleaning invasions. It seems like someone lied. Hispanics are not invading the U.S. They are being invited to clean it up.

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    Frank
    March 21, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    An invasion can either be an armed one or an unarmed one. It merely means to intrude univited.
    At first the natives welcomed the Europeans and then it turned bad. A good lesson in history is to be careful who you invite into your house as they may turn on you. We Americans of “today” learned a good lesson from the natives of the “past”. “Don’t let history repeat itself.”

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    Evelyn
    March 22, 2008 at 4:56 am

    The Indigenous have also learned the same lesson. Dont let the invading anchor babies push you off your land.

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    Horace
    March 22, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Evelyn’s rants about past injustices do not justify illegal immigration, and she has no hope of convincing anyone that they do. This country isn’t going to lie down and let Mexico walk all over it on the basis of past histories, so her arguments are totally irrelevent to improving the future. It’s a wonder that her world view and understanding of history and consequent hate for her country haven’t motivated her to emigrate somewhere in keeping with her sense of social injustice. Emigrating to a country without sin (if one exists) will permit her to pontificate among the saintly who are without a history of past social injustice.

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    Frank
    March 22, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Babies are invaders? Wow, that would be something to see!
    Last I heard anyone born on U.S. soil is considered to be a citizen and not an invader.

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    Alex
    March 22, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Boicot Univision letting them know why. Because of its association with a racist, unchristian individual/group.

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    Frank
    March 22, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    So to be opposed to illegal aliens in our midst is racist and un-Christian? First, the U.S. takes in over a million legal immigants every year and second illegals are from many countries so how can it be racist? Are we supposed to destroy our own to be charitable to those who plainly have no respect for others or laws? Sounds like the illegals are the un-Christian ones.

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    Evelyn
    March 23, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Horace
    You have every right to dream about Mexico walking all over this country. I am glad that’s where you got this notion, because if it were true, as much as all the other countries hate Americans. I would be scared they would join Mexico.

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    Alex
    March 23, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Of course it is un-christian. They are only looking to provide food and a better life for their families. Most of them were here 20, 30 years and we looked the other way because we were benefiting from their cheap service. Remember Jesus will ask you if you ever see him hungry, you fed him, without shelter, gave him shelter. This clearly applies to your brothers and sisters, undocumented workers, who just want a better future for their families. They are already here. We are guilty as well because we benefited from them for so long. They established roots here, their children recite the pledge every morning. It is cruel, and, again, un-christian to tell them now, leave and start harrasing and persecuting them for no crime or sin at all. If you Horace, Frank, EOT, hate them so much, do not take advantage of their services, do not drive over the roads made with their hands, eat the food harvested by them, etc. You will die one they, and think carefully, what would you say to Our Lord when he asked what you did to Him? If you do not believe in God, you are fine, if so, You are in big trouoble. Maybe your God is not Our Father who art in heaven, but the one who is in the banks.

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    Antonio Gonzalez
    March 23, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Univision is looking for money
    only, they don’t care for any
    inmigrant, remember their
    journalist help to catch
    immigrant over the border.
    Univision is for White-only.

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    Frank
    March 23, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Alex, no “we” weren’t benefiting from illegal immigration if you are talking about everyday working Americans. It was only the greedy employers that were. No “we” didn’t look the other way, our government did.
    If the illegals had the courage and gumption they could change their homelands so they would have better lives there. But they choose the illegal way out instead. It isn’t the U.S. that lacks compassion, it is their homelands that do.
    Nothing cruel nor inhumane about Americans realizing that illegal immigration has reached critical mass now and forcing our government to clean up this mess by enforcing our immigration laws, sanctioning the employers and securing our borders. They can go home and re-apply to come back legally.
    I don’t hate illegal aliens so don’t put words in my mouth. I hate that our immigration laws haven’t been enforced and that we have wide open borders to any intruders and that includes terrorists. We have a serious problem and it needs to be fixed. Awarding illegal behavior isn’t a sensible fix.
    Don’t pull your bible crap on me. There are limits as to how much compassion should be extended to anyone, especially if they are law breakers. Where is your compassion for U.S. citizens?
    I have no idea who built a particular road or who picked a particular tomato. It is up to the employers to hire legal workers. It isn’t up to your everyday working American to police them. Our government should have though. Are we supposed to stop eating or driving because there “might” possibly been an illegal alien involved in the labor? You are being totally ridiculous. Let’s rid ourselves of illegal aliens and then we won’t have to “guess” whether or not the tomato we ate was picked by illegal labor.
    We showed compassion in the 1986 amnesty and looked what it got us…millions more pouring over our border illegally.

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    Evelyn
    March 23, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Unmorality and not having the capacity to feel compassion for other people are traits likened to Psychopaths.
    breaking the law
    (Getting ready to preach April 15 I sent this to the Goshen News, they published it, now I’m waiting for some replies. I like sermon prep:)
    I’m surprised that in discussions about our broken immigration system some Christians say the law of the land should always be obeyed. If they have Isaiah 10 in their Bibles, that would make it clear that the law can be wrong, unjust, immoral, oppressive . . . And I hope they are in church April 15 when the lectionary reading includes Peter and the other apostles breaking the law, then breaking the law again, then explaining simply, “We must obey God rather than any human authority.”
    I’m trying to remember if any of the disciples and apostles DIDN’T break the law. Give me that old-time religion … Paul and Silas did their jail time. Keep your eye on the prize . . . Oh, yes, of course, the civil rights movement, and I guess even the signing of the Declaration of Independence, those broke the law, too. On the other hand, everything Hitler did was legal.
    When the law is immoral, breaking the law is the right thing to do; our current immigration laws are immoral. Our immigration law discriminates on the basis of race and wealth, no one denies that. The problem with illegal immigration is not immigrants wanting to break the law, it is a law that doesn’t allow a legal option for too many people in desperate poverty. We don’t need amnesty for the immigrants so much as we need repentance for our own lack of compassion.
    It’s wrong to say “they should come legally” when we whites (immigrants ourselves) have invaded, colonized, drawn the border and changed the laws to make legal immigration for the poor of Mexico and Central America all but impossible. Laws aren’t fixed, they change all the time, and what is illegal today may be legal tomorrow. It’s time for us to be changing the law so that they can come legally, and get drivers’ licenses and car insurance and jobs legally. Registering and legalizing migrants would cost far less and be more humane and Christian than our current harassment approach, and would be better for the economy – allowing undocumented immigrants to register and become citizens would be in our national interest.

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    Frank
    March 24, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Again, our immigration laws are not immoral. We take in immigrants based on our needs. Why shouldn’t any country put it’s own citizens first? If we had to show the kind of compassion that some demand in here, we would have to take in the whole world’s poor otherwise it would be discrimination, right?

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    Alex
    March 24, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Frank, we can now see why there is so much hate in your heart, the bible is no crap, it is our Lord’s inspired word. You should read it with an open heart. We all hope and pray that God’s word will touch your heart and make you understand that these people, undocumented in the U.S. are your brothers and sisters in need of help and understanding. We feel compassion for all of our brothers, weather they have papers or not, as it should be. The fact that we did not enforce the enforcement laws after the amnesty was passed is more our fault than theirs. The majority accepted as a fact and a way of life that they came to work and, because we were living a bonanza back then, plenty of jobs. progress almost everywhere, did not really care. We let them, somehow, be part of our society and are now part of our economic system. We only live once and everybody tries to get the best of it. I really prefer my taxes to feed and educate a human being, papers or not papers, than have them be used to kill and exterminate towns illegally around the world. You better use your energy and passion, shown here, to build a better world. oppose the illegal war that the U.S. is waging now. You were lied by your government. This is something really illegal that you can be proud fighting for. God bless you and illuminate you.

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    Liquidmicro
    March 24, 2008 at 9:58 am

    We honor America, but we do not worship America. We recognize that this nation, or any nation, is not the kingdom of God. We acknowledge that our ultimate loyalty is to God, and that ultimately we must obey God rather than any human authority. Because we must obey God, and because we love America, at times we must question and even criticize our government. That’s why the separation of church and state is so important. Look at the countries in the world today where religion and government have become intertwined—Saudi Arabia, Iran, even Iraq and Afghanistan. Look at what happened in Germany when the church and the state became intertwined. The church must remain separate from the state to keep the state honest. The church must remain separate from the state to preserve its own integrity. But the genius of America is genuine religious liberty, and its corollary, the separation of church and state. Every religion is protected, and no religion receives preferential treatment. That is America’s great legacy to the world.
    Bruce Salmon, Pastor,
    Village Baptist Church, Bowie, Maryland
    “The New Testament makes it clear that believers are to obey Governmental authority (Romans 13:1-7 and 1 Peter 2:13-17), but not when the authority requires believers to sin.”
    What is the sin that deems the laws immoral? The “Illegal Aliens” are not deprived of Life, Liberty, or the pursuit of Happiness. There is nothing stopping them from continuing their religion.
    “We don’t need amnesty for the immigrants so much as we need repentance for our own lack of compassion.”
    Join your local missionary, give all the compassion you want.
    The poor do have a way to come, blame our farmers for not using the H-2A Visa, it has an unlimited cap, all the worlds poor can come here with one.
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or respecting the free exercise thereof.”
    By the way, this pretty much sums up your Peter and the Apostles argument, 10 points if you can name where it comes from.

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    Frank
    March 24, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Alex, there is no hate in my heart for anyone so stop making false claims about me. I hate the fact that our immigration laws haven’t been enforced and that we have wide open borders. Cut the BS!
    God may teach compassion but it has it’s limits. Anyone with any common sense would know that God would expect criminals to be punished not rewarded for their actions. He is a just God. Where is your compassion for the American citizens of this country that are having to bear the brunt of the cost of illegal immigration? I wasn’t implying that the bible’s words are crap but you and yours are using it as a tool to demonize those of us for the rule of law. As I said, even God would only be compassionate to an extent. If he were all forgiving and non-punishing as you are claiming, then why is there a hell in the afterlife?????
    I never was in favor of the Iraq war and I am a veteran myself so let’s let that one rest. The subject is illegal immigration.
    It isn’t “we” that didn’t enforce our immigration laws (as in regular American citizens), it was our government. They were wrong in not doing so and they need to pay the price along with everyone else who was a part of this illegal immigration mess and that means the illegals themselves too.

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    Evelyn
    March 25, 2008 at 8:55 am

    Say liquid, are you under the impression that you know more than God, or is it you think you can spin God’s word?

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    Liquidmicro
    March 25, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Actually I take the entire story of whats being told, I don’t take out certain parts and equate them to something the story is not about, unlike what you have attempted to do.
    In one of your other posts you equate those against “Illegal Aliens” as equal to Nazis. Funny thing is, Nazi Germany was a church ran state, something that you are espousing by wanting Gods words to justify “Illegal Immigration”. Should I then equate you to a Nazi?
    Why do you think this, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or respecting the free exercise thereof”, was placed in the 1st Amendment. So that we wouldn’t be like a Nazi Germany.
    Still you can’t refute anything I say. What is it you are so espoused at preaching??…. Oh Yea, “you have already started…….to make a fool of yourself, that is. Name calling shows you are about as mature as a five to nine year old. LOL! It also shows you have nothing left to debate with.”
    Please Evelyn, argue the points of my posts, quit with all the “HATE SPEECH” and the use of TRIGGER words that make you look Ignorant. If you wish to continue using the Bible, then quit with the HATE SPEECH, it makes you look very hypocritical for one, and secondly very un-Christian with all your finger pointing and name calling, at least act like a Christian, or a person of faith.

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    Alex
    March 25, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Frank, God mandates us to love each other, it does not gives us a limit, also mandates us to be compassionate, no limit. Our Love and compassion for each other should be unlimmited, as His is. have you read about forgiving 77 times 7, biblical perfect number that equals always. You are wrong when you say that compassion has limits, if so, Our Lord Jesus would not have died for us in the cross. He did it for his unlimmited compassion and love for us. And he ex[pects us to show the same to all our brothers and sisters.
    When you die and then judged by God for your actions, try explaining Him That this people, you are so much against, are criminals for just wanting to worlk and give a better future for their families. That is no crime in God’s eyes. Hell will be the punishment for those unable to show compassion. You still have the chance to change, otherwise you wil be there, in hell, holding hands with EOT, Liquidmicro and all others with the same hate in their hearts.

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    Frank
    March 25, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Alex, having love and compassion does not mean that people shouldn’t be punished for their sins. Did you miss the part where I asked why is there a hell then? Obviously God does think that sinners should be punished and his compassion came to end with some humans. Is it wrong to punish your child for defying you? No, it isn’t! The child learns from their mistakes. How are illegals going to learn that we have immigration laws and that they wish them respected if there is no punishment for breaking them? It’s called “Tough Love”. Its been around awhile and it works! Why do you think we have the 10 commandments? So people can just break them with no punishment?
    No, you and yours are the ones who need to change. God wouldn’t approve of showing compassion for illegal foreigners who break the law and just happen to be ethnically like you over your own country’s citizens.

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    Liquidmicro
    March 25, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Do not judge Alex, unless you too wish to be judged.
    Understanding Catholic
    Social Teaching as it
    Relates to Migration
    1. PERSONS HAVE THE RIGHT TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES
    IN THEIR HOMELAND.
    All persons have the right to find in their own countries the economic,
    political, and social opportunities to live in dignity and achieve a full
    life through the use of their God-given gifts. In this context, work that
    provides a just, living wage is a basic human need.
    (Note “in their own countries/homelands”)
    2. PERSONS HAVE THE RIGHT TO MIGRATE TO SUPPORT
    THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.
    The Church recognizes that all the goods of the earth belong to all people. When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right.
    (Note “Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right”, welcome to the USA Visa programs, will get to that below. Now, a job is not guaranteed to all of us in the USA, unemployment comes to mind, so then what gives these people the right to come here and obtain jobs that are taken away from our citizens? Is it not a sin then to take food from another, with the goal of feeding yourself, and denying the person of whom you took it from for your own survival? (stealing comes to mind here))
    3. SOVEREIGN NATIONS HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL
    THEIR BORDERS.
    The Church recognizes the right of sovereign nations to control their
    territories but rejects such control when it is exerted merely for the
    purpose of acquiring additional wealth. More powerful economic
    nations, which have the ability to protect and feed their residents, have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.
    (Note “the USA already takes in more immigrants per year than the rest of the nations of the world, when is it enough then? In 2006, 1,266,264 foreign nationals obtained lawful permanent resident (LPR) status according to the Department of Homeland Security’s Yearbook of Immigration Statistics 2006. The total number represents a 12.8 percent increase from 2005 (1,122,373), and a 50.6 percent increase from 2000 (841,002).
    Of the nearly 1.3 million new LPRs, 45.8 percent were an immediate relative of a US citizen, 17.5 percent came through a family-sponsored preference, and 12.6 percent through an employment-based preference. Another 17.1 percent adjusted from a refugee or asylee status, and 3.5 percent were diversity-lottery winners.
    Disaggregated by country of birth, 13.7 percent came from Mexico. The top five countries of birth — Mexico, China, the Philippines, India, and Cuba — accounted for 35.0 percent of all persons who received LPR status in 2006.
    Nationals of the next five countries — Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Vietnam, and Jamaica — made up another 13.3 percent of all LPRs, so that the top-10 countries of birth made up almost 50 percent of the total.Temporary workers and trainees, including H-1B “specialty occupation” workers, registered nurses, temporary agricultural workers, North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) professional workers, treaty traders, and intracompany transferees, among others, accounted for 1,709,953 arrivals (5.1 percent of total admissions); this figure includes spouses and children of temporary workers.
    Students who came to study at an academic or vocational institute, together with their family members, made up 3.5 percent (1,168,020) of total admissions. etc, etc, etc.
    Is this yet enough per year, or should we allow the whole of the world here?)
    4. REFUGEES AND ASYLUM SEEKERS SHOULD BE
    AFFORDED PROTECTION.
    Those who flee wars and persecution should be protected by the global
    community. This requires, at a minimum, that migrants have a right to
    claim refugee status without incarceration and to have their claims fully
    considered by a competent authority.
    (Note “Everybody agrees with this I believe”)
    5. THE HUMAN DIGNITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS OF
    UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS SHOULD BE RESPECTED.
    Regardless of their legal status, migrants, like all persons, possess
    inherent human dignity that should be respected. Often they are subject
    to punitive laws and harsh treatment from enforcement officers from both receiving and transit countries. Government policies that respect
    the basic human rights of the undocumented are necessary.
    (Note “Please show us where basic human rights have been denied”)
    NOW, who are you to judge, Alex? Who are you to point fingers and damn those who disagree with you? Who are you to know what is in ones heart? Your un-Christian finger pointing and damnations are very disturbing, maybe you should go and talk to your church Bishop about your judgments of others.
    Your equating compassion and Hell to those that show none, to HATE, is mind boggling. If you so much wish to be as compassionate as you can be, join your local missionary, go to those 3rd world countries and do everything you can to help the people there. I spend a few months in Honduras yearly through my local church to help those in need there, what have you done?

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    Liquidmicro
    March 25, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Lets look at your 77 times 7. It should actually read as follows: Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.” Mathew 18:22
    Thus, about forgiveness, and how this equates to “Illegal Aliens”. Most “Illegal Aliens”, once caught, are forgiven their use of fraudulent ID’s, false names, and crossing the border of a Sovereign Nation without incurring the proper entry, they then become repatriated to their countries of origin. So you see, they are forgiven of their “sins”, and after 10 years, are then allowed to try to re-enter the Sovereign Nation through the proper channels. So please show us, What is the sin that deems the Immigration laws immoral/unjust?

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    Evelyn
    March 29, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Immigrants will learn not to come here when they are NOT offered jobs! Not when you play God and tell them not to. It’s the jobs Stupid.

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    Liquidmicro
    March 30, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Everyone knows its the jobs, stupid. All hail the employers, right? as they hold all the cards. Give the employer everything he wants so he can become richer on the global economy, while the employee gets less pay and less everything, while costs of everything else increases. All hail the employer.

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    Alex
    March 30, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Most of undocumented immigrants would love to come here legally, go to the background check, and all what is required. But, curent immigration laws are like the polling taxes designed to prevent african americans, or non whites, mostly poor from voting. Rich people, from where your problem people come from, do not need to come to work here, they just come if they want more or to visit Mickey Mouse. People who really want to come to be a contributing part of society, cannot afford it. We let the doors open, looked the other way for our own benefit and now, after so many years of innaction from our part, inhumanely, unmercifully want them out, regardless of their achievements and the fact that they are part of what this great nation is now. I really do not think that the arguments used by these xenophobes about the immigration laws, rule of law, will help them out of hell when God asks them about that big stain ion their hearts.

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    Frank
    March 30, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Right, that is why we need the Save Act passed. The employers will no longer be able to offer jobs to illegal aliens.

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    Marisa Treviño
    April 1, 2008 at 7:33 am

    An interesting post that fully explains the SAVE Act:
    http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/31/time-to-sink-the-save-act/

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    Texano78704
    April 1, 2008 at 8:04 am

    “…every American having to ask permission from Washington to get a job or change a job.”
    And the party of “free markets” and “small government” fully backs the Save Act. Imagine that.
    Thanks for the link, Marisa.

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    Texano78704
    April 1, 2008 at 8:05 am

    “…every American having to ask permission from Washington to get a job or change a job.”
    And the party of “free markets” and “small government” fully backs the Save Act. Imagine that.
    Thanks for the link, Marisa. I knew I would never hear any straight answers from the three blind mice.

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    CESAR
    May 8, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    I THINK THAT UNIVISION IS AN ILLEGAL NETWORK, WHY IS IT IN SPANISH?, WHY DOES IT AIR MEXICAN SHOWS, AT LEAST THEY SHOULD BE DUBBED IN ENGLISH. WE DONT EVEN GET TO SEE THE BRITISH SHOWS ON NETWORK TELEVISION (WICH I THINK ARE WAY MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THOSE MEXICAN SOAP OPERAS. UNIVISION SUCKS!!, ITS ILLEGAL BECAUSE ITS IN SPANISH AND ITS OVERTHEAIR TV, THIS IS CULTURAL INFLUENCE

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