LatinaLista — Everybody is asking how Latinos in Texas and Ohio will vote next Tuesday, March 4. Yet, to better understand exactly what are the forces influencing the Latino vote nationwide, one needs to look at the bigger picture of the nation.
The Center for American Progress has done just that with an interactive map that instantly reveals how Latinos are faring in each state. According to the Center, “Latino Voters Gain Voting Power, But Still Lack Economic Opportunity.”
There Are Reasons Why Latinos are Voting They Way They Are
Comment(18)
Texano78704
I can’t tell you how they will vote in Ohio, but I’d bet money that they will be turning out in record numbers for Obama.
It has nothing to do with “fantasy messages of hope,” mystique or charisma. It will be because of grass roots campaigning in every single precinct across the state.
Evelyn
The graph that accompanies this article this article just proved my point about Hispanics playing a major roll in the 08 presidential elections.
Also I am happy about the fact that we stayed on the subject of Hispanics. To those who dont like it, why not hang out in one of the thousands of other forums for whites with your views.
EYES OF TEXAS
Make a statement followed by a racial jab is showing your true self again. Perhaps you should hang out on a forum for white haters. You’re not as pure as you try to put yourself up to be and your constant bashing of whites makes you as racist as those that you tag as racist. Marisa would do well to deny you access to her forum for the sake of those that are fed up with your racist agenda.
Frank
260 million vs 40 million? I don’t see this as playing a major role.
Mark
I think the vote has come down to Hispanic voters, which, as a 1/2 Latino involved in my first primary, is a very exciting thing. It’s exciting that both Democratic candidates are making Spanish-language commercials for use in Texas, and aiming most of their resources at the Latino Vote there.
Janet Murguia, President and CEO of La Raza and Antonio Gonzalez, President of the Southwestern Voter Registration Education Project , both stated that the Latino vote will be a massive factor (posisbly the deciding factor) this year; an exciting idea, considering that Latino’s have long been considered an invisible population for so long, especially in Texas and California.
I know I’m on my toes for next Tuesday!
Evelyn
Getting a little taste of your own medicine, Eyes. Stop being a crybaby! You sure like to dish it out, but cant take it.
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Quit lying and stay away from me like you said you would!
Evelyn
I dont bash whites, Eyes. Some whites some Latinos and some African Americans have disgraced themselves by accepting and practicing racism. I just confront and expose them.
Obviously Marisa doesnt agree with you because I am still here.
EYES OF TEXAS
It’s like this “E”, your idea of a lie is anything that goes against your point of view, which in some cases is wrong. As for not taking it, I am able to take whatever you can dish out with ease. All I have to do is consider the source and your motives. By the way, I never said I would stay away from your race bashing comments. That was someone else, not me. You must have really been smacked around by some white guy to have such an attitude and hate towards us. What does the Irish side of your family think about you or have they abandoned you because of who you are?
laura
Since Latina/os are poorer, with less educational opportunities and less access to health care, than the average American, it seems like addressing problems that are hurting Latina/os will automatically help the vast majority of Americans. That is why I think it’s a great thing that Latina/os are discovering their voice and vote.
Most importantly, though, we have to recognize that voting for our favorite candidate is just the first, and smallest step, toward achieving the goals we share with most Americans:
– stop the occupation of Iraq
– good healthcare for all
– good public schools for all
– jobs and secure housing (as opposed to being lied to to sign a subprime mortgage).
The only way any of this will happen is if we insist everywhere, loudly, that it does. Barack Obama will not fight for any of this if we don’t.
My personal priority right at the top of the list:
– Stop the warrantless raids by huge, heavily armed men on family homes and workplaces: ICE agents. ICE is a rogue racist agency at this point.
Frank
laura, where is your backup providing proof tha latinos have less educational and less access to healthcare?
Your remarks that a government agency such as ICE is racist is totally ridiculous. How can you as American not advocate the enforcement of our immigration laws?
Evelyn
Eyes
The comment about staying away from me was not made by you. You are right.
My comment was not directed at you. That is why I drew a line after I addressed you. I shouldn’t have included my comment in my post to you, but I promised never to address that person again.
As everyone can see I have kept my promise, even though the promise by that person to stay away from me and not respond to any of my posts has already been broken. From the beginning I knew it was just another lie.
Now back to the subject at hand.
When considering the source, make sure you consider the fact that I am advocating justice and equality for everyone including Hispanic immigrants and children. Our Constitution grants them those rights.
This is an issue that any true patriotic American citizen should fight for. Many have, and have given their lives doing it.
My motives are simple. First, that is the law. It is a good law that has proven it’s worth over time. This law is still doing what laws are suppose to do, which is, “prevent injustice from reigning.”
Second, I believe it is the right thing to do.
Now, considering who you are, I am sure you will try to distort who I am, what I stand for, and what my motives are, even though I have mentioned this many times on this forum.
Let me tell you a secret. Coming from a person who has openly defended “Stormfront” and white supremacists and made racest remarks about Martin Luther King.
I dont care what you think about me. Your agenda is clearly one of hate and I will also consider the source as will anyone who reads this!
Frank
This comment is not directed at anyone in particular. It is a “general” statement.
There is no inequality or injustice being served on Hispanics whether they be here legally or illegally. We have immigration laws and they must be enforced. Our Constitution only guarantees certain rights to illegal aliens. Those rights are not the same as citizen rights and rightly so. They are guaranteed “basic” human rights but that doesn’t put them above our laws and the enforcement of them that is already on the books.
Our government made a big mistake not securing our borders after 1986. We Americans are not going to pay for that mistake. We are going to hold them accountable and to clean up this mess in a way that is in the best intersts of Americans, not illegal foreigners.
Liquidmicro
“When considering the source, make sure you consider the fact that I am advocating justice and equality for everyone including Hispanic immigrants and children. Our Constitution grants them those rights.”
Evelyn fails to identify the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution does not grant any equal rights, however the Declaration of Independence says the following regarding moral rights, and juridico-civil rights. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. (Moral Rights) — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. (Juridico-Civil Rights)”.
With that last sentnece, the juridico -civil rights, we created a sovereign nation with requirements by those outside of our borders to follow in order to enter. Native Americans, women, slaves, and other minorities were not included in this “we” but the same is true for people from other countries, non-U.S. citizens. Thus, the creation of Civil Rights in the 60’s, which is for Citizens of this country and not ‘Illegal Immigrants’, NON-CITIZENS.
Horace
As long as there is continued illegal immigration of Hispanics, there will be no real economic progress for them as a whole in comparison to the rest of our population. I’ve heard Latinos wonder why they are underrepresented in comparison to their percentage as the population as CEOs at the corporative level. They unwarrantedly blame discrimination, but the real truth lies with illegal immigration. As their total numbers (of mostly uneducated and unskilled) increase through amnesties, Latino average educational level declines. Should it surprise anyone that their average wage level declines, and unemployment level and poverty level increases? Letting in millions of poor and unskilled workers from Mexico has its consequences in demographic statistics, as there is a definite correlation between average educational level and the ability to adapt to new economic conditions. The uneducated are confined to positions that are very sensitive to the vagaries of our economy, moreso than the degreed and those with high school diplomas. The result is that Hispanics as an ethnic group will continue to fair worse than the general populace for decades to come.
Evelyn
Horace
Why are the African American even worse off than the Latinos? They dont have, “mostly uneducated and unskilled through amnesties” coming in. Yet the experts also blame discrimination for their (African Americans) situation. So how would you explain it?
Liquidmicro
Allow me to clarify my previous post, the Constitution is the Bill of Rights. What Evelyn is possibly referring to is:
The Preamble states:
“ We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. â€
The Preamble does not grant any particular authority to the federal government and it does not prohibit any particular authority. What it does, is establish the fact that the federal government has no authority outside of what follows the preamble, as amended. “We the people”, is one of the most-quoted sections of the Constitution. It was thought by federalists during this time that there was no need for a bill of rights and they thought that the preamble spelled out the people’s rights.
This, again, only covers American Citizens and their Posterity. No where in the Bill of Rights, not even the 14th Amendment does it allow for equal rights to Illegal/Undocumented/Dishonest/Illicit/Illegitimate/Banned/Prohibited/Unlawful Aliens/Strangers/Foreigners/Immigrants.
Horace
Evelyn said:
“Why are the African American even worse off than the Latinos? They dont have, “mostly uneducated and unskilled through amnesties” coming in. Yet the experts also blame discrimination for their (African Americans) situation. So how would you explain it?”
Blacks historically fair worse than whites, for reasons that I will not venture to discuss in this posting. But let’s talk about Latinos compared to whites, still the majority that minorities compete with in the market place.
I quote from “The Immigration Solution: A Better Plan Than Today’s, by Heather Mac Donald, et al:
“In 1996 the graduation rate of California’s Hispanics – both native and foreign-born-was only 61 percent. And of those still in high school by their senior year, only 50 percent of Hispanic students met “basic” standards of twelfth grade math-compared with 80 percent of whites. A mere 6 percent tested “proficient.” That means that, out of every hundred Hispanics who now enter California high schools, forty will drop out. And of the remaining sixty, fewer than four will matriculate prepared for any serious college-level courses in mathematics. Only 7 percent of all Mexican Americans currently hold a B.A. In short this is a national tragedy.”
I believe that the author’s cited statistics have not changed much from that year, so even today, the claim of “national tragedy” yet stands.
Evelyn, both of us realize that if this trend continues unabated, Latinos will never be prepared for the opportunity to receive the “American Dream” that’s so often referred to in these blogs. While the Latino population will grow, and with it political power, its economic power will remain flat and they will become part of an every increasing class of working poor, surviving on the low paying jobs and partially on public assistance via food stamps, WIC and Earned Income Tax Credits. Illegal immigration will only serve to exacerbate the Lation citizen’s plight, as ever increasing numbers of even less educated come from Mexico to compete with him.
All Americans will suffer from this situation, as middle class Americans, Latino, et al, pay higher taxes to subsidize the growing numbers of poor.
Evelyn
Well of course your not going to answer a question that backed you into a corner.
Refocusing is easier, unfortunately in this case it doesent help. Everyone can see right through you.
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