By Barack Obama
LatinaLista
Last fall, Latina Lista sent an invitation to the major presidential candidates of both parties to “blog” on Latina Lista as a way to address our readers. As the campaigns are regrouping after what can only be described as a successful night for both of the Democratic frontrunners during the Super Tuesday elections, one Democratic candidate, who has yet to address Latina Lista readers, decided to forego some sleep and contribute a post.
By now in this campaign season, Senator Barack Obama is a familiar face. This Illinois Senator with a degree from Harvard was the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. He spent his early days after law school graduation practicing civil rights law and teaching constitutional law.
His experience in grassroots organizing helped lead to his bid for the Illinois State Senate where he served for eight years. In 2004, he became the third African American since Reconstruction to be elected to the U.S. Senate.
Today, Senator Obama shares his vision of the future and what he plans to bring to all the people who call the United States home.
I want to thank Latina Lista for giving me the opportunity to contribute to the blog and to talk about change in this great country with the Latina community.
Since the day I was born, I have been surrounded by strong women. I was raised by a single mother, have married a strong independent woman who has blessed me with two beautiful girls and now I’m trying to raise them to pursue their dreams no matter how big, and become future leaders.
As a son, husband and parent I am well aware that women are the core of family. Mothers, wives and sisters are the ones who protect us, care for us, teach us and encourage us.
I also know that for women of all backgrounds, keeping their families together is a top priority. It is no secret that Latino families are being separated from their families every day in this country because of raids and deportation policies that do not take family and humanity into account when trying to enforce laws.
That’s why when I’m President, I will put comprehensive immigration reform back on the nation’s agenda during my first year in office, and I will not rest until it is passed once and for all.
We must create an immigration system that strengthens our security while strengthening our families and reaffirming our heritage as a nation of immigrants — a nation dedicated to giving weary travelers from around the world the chance to achieve their dreams.
That’s the America that answered my father’s letters and his prayers and brought him here from Kenya so long ago.
But the struggle does not end there.
At 21 percent, the national Latino high school dropout rate is more than twice the national average. Once more, under current law students who do excel in and out of school that were brought here as undocumented immigrant children have no hope of attending college with affordable in-state tuition.
We need to close the achievement gap between Latino and other students, reduce the high school dropout rate, and finally enact the DREAM Act so that every child can have the chance to attend college.
An Obama administration will also reflect the great diversity of our nation, and I’m proud that my campaign team is similarly diverse. I am lucky to have the support of Gloria Romero, Democratic Majority Leader of the California State Senate, Maria Elena Durazo, Rep. Linda Sanchez and Rep. Xavier Becerra. Federico Peña, former Energy Secretary, serves as a National Campaign Co-Chair.
I have also worked closely with Congressman Luis Gutierrez here in Illinois and consider him an amazing leader in the struggle to pass immigration reform and ensure that immigration application fees are reasonable and fair.
While we recognize our diversity of background and experiences, what makes this country great are the common goals and dreams we as Americans share. We all fundamentally want the same things in life: the best opportunities for our children, a decent job and the knowledge that our government will not stand by while families are being separated, while people lose their livelihoods and their homes because of an illness their insurance will not cover.
It is not only important, but urgent, that we come together this election and ensure that as one nation, we change the direction of politics in this country. Let us together bring about a politics of hope and change.
Comment(84)
Andres Useche
Si se puede
-Latinos, Barack Obama no se hecha para atrás en lo que dice. A diferencia de Hillary Clinton, Barack aun apoya las licencias de conducción y un camino humanitario hacia la legalización. Incluso enfrentando gran oposición el estuvo firme en contra de la guerra desde el principio, y no se dejo influenciar como Clinton que voto a favor una la guerra basada en mentiras que tantos muertes ha causado. Barack Obama tiene la integridad y honestidad para traer el cambio necesario a este paÃs. El no le dice una cosa a un grupo y otra a otros solo para conseguir votos: En la iglesia de MartÃn Luther King Jr el le pidió a la audiencia afro-americana que dejaran atrás la discriminación a otros grupos y que valoraran a los inmigrantes no como competencia sino como compañeros en la busca de oportunidad… En el debate televisado por CNN, mientras Clinton mantuvo una posición hostil respecto a la influencia de los inmigrantes en la economÃa de otras minorÃas, Barack Obama le dijo de frente que no se le puede hechar la culpa a una minorÃa cuando obviamente el problema económico es uno que sufrimos todos y es causado por la falta de inversión en infra-estructura, educación etc. Una economÃa en la cual el paÃs invierte billones y billones de dólares en una guerra sin razón. Barack Obama no quiere dividirnos como Hillary, el quiere unir al paÃs y sanarlo. Inspirarnos a ayudarnos los unos a los otros y tener una polÃtica exterior que exhauste las posibilidades diplomáticas antes de iniciar cualquier guerra. Obama, con un trasfondo racial mixto, y familia inmigrante, simboliza la armonÃa entre las distintas etnias y minorÃas de estos Estados Unidos de Norte América. Unámonos apoyando a Obama. El peleará por una mayor justicia e igualdad para todos. No es un sueño vacio, es un sueño que se puede realizar si lo crees. Si se puede… Si crees y votas con tu mente y tu corazón. Escucha sus palabras: Si Se puede, si nos unimos y nos movilizamos para alcanzarlo. Si se puede, este es el momento. Escucha el cantar de las masas… Si se puede. Únete y grÃtalo con nosotros Si se puede.
Denise
Well, it’s about time Obama decided to talk to Latina Lista. Better late than never? Or is he hoping for a bigger share of the Latino vote than he’s gotten so far?
I’m not Latino or an Obama supporter but I went back and read Clinton’s post here on Latina Lista and then re-read Obama’s. Nothing here sways me. I don’t understand anything Obama says about HOW he’s going to help Latinas keep their families together.
He does mention the DREAM Act, which is good — though I’m terribly afraid that no batter how bad a democratic president might want to push it through, it isn’t going to happen. I want it to happen, but I think the majority of the country does not.
I’ll be looking forward to reading the comments to this post from Obama. Maybe someone will point out something I’ve missed that will make me change my mind about Obama.
SenorMoreno
Companero, te necesitamos! Necesitamos que hables con tus amigos y familiares, y todos aquellos que aun no estan convencidos de votar por Obama, que les digas de las reformas y las esperanzas que Obama representa! Necesitamos un cambio! Tu puedes ser parte de el!
laura
Dear Senator Obama,
thank you very much for your comments, and for having worked for comprehensive immigration reform and for the DREAM act. I am hopeful that these two extremely important pieces of legislation could be passed in the first year of an Obama administration.
Until they are passed, my undocumented friends are living a daily nightmare of fear and anxiety. Their daily lives are tightly constricted by not being able to drive legally.
Worst of all is the fear of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement police. These people have already traumatized countless families, and children who are US citizens. Their raids on family homes in the middle of the night, and on workplaces where they treat undocumented workers as if they were terrorists, are devastating violations of my friends’ civil rights and human dignity.
When they raid family homes, they usually do not have a warrant. They frighten people into opening the door by shouting “Police”, then they storm into the apartment and handcuff the parents in front of the children. They have used mace inside apartments to force residents to open locked doors.
The raids on factories leave children without parents, parents without knowledge of their children, husbands and wives separated.
My question to you is: how do you plan to deal with the Department of Homeland Security’s “Operation return to sender,” under which all these abuses take place?
And do you know how small the percentage is of detainees arrested by ICE who are actually accused of a crime ? Do you in fact know the vanishingly small percentage who are accused of terrorism ?
Do you know how many people are held for months by ICE ? How many families ? Do you know how many people arrested for immigration violations have died in custody ?
Lastly, why is the Department of Homeland Security wasting resources on detaining seamstresses and slaughterhouse workers when we are actually being threatened by Al Qaida ? Could there be any reason other than to intimidate our community into silence ?
I am looking forward to your answer and your plans with great interest.
Sincerely,
Laura
Frank
Too bad Obama didn’t elaborate on his illegal immigration plan. All of these candidates are trying to play both sides of the fence for votes, so I wouldn’t read too much into what he hasn’t even clearly stated the kind of plan he has yet. Immigraton reform can take many paths and it may not be the one you want, especially since congress makes the decisions on those issues anyway, not the president. If he gets elected, since he was so vague on what he meant, he can do anything he wants because he won’t be pandering for votes anymore.
Raphael Ghiwot
The vision Barack conveyed to the people of America during his campaign, is promising. I do believe that in the process of implementing the vision, the “money talks†affair will gradually be replaced with character, and set of values. In my opinion Barack’s idea of change is not only targeting Washington’s version of politics but also will address the unwanted habits that seemed to be part of the American culture. Restoration of America’s moral standing in the world, and restoring the family and societal values in the process is something irresistible.
Although America is a land of immigrants, no one from the running presidential candidates can claim as much knowledge as Barack Obama in all its imaginable angles. Barack Obama understands what Immigrants are going through. Barack Obama’s father was an immigrant in the recent distant, and Barack has full knowledge of that. Barack’s immigration stand is crystal clear. I believe Barack will implement the human comprehensive immigration policy soon after he resides in the office.
Vote for Barack Obama! Don’t gamble on the only chance you have available.
Raphael.
Jax
Laura:
Perhaps the illegal aliens, or as you like to call them “undocumented” would be safer and happier in Mexico. Once back there, they could work to improve their homeland.
I happened to be in a grocery store a few hours ago and overheard a young woman speaking to her two small children in Spanish but upon checking out her groceries she spoke English. A smart mother would be missing no opportunities to teach her children English.
Opportunities lost!!!
Sakina
Denise, this is cool.
Check this, it is the immigration reform. At the bottom is a downloadable .pdf of the proposal that is much more comprehensive. Also, check the part where he asks for your advice. Well, go give him some! He listens.
Paula
Ever ask yourself where the $10 to $50 million estate of the Clintons came from and how she is able to loan her campaign $5 million? One only has to look at donation profiles of Obama and Clinton supporters to realize that Obama is supported by the common people of the US. Hillary has far too many links to insiders.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080206/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_money_6
Vanessa
As a latina from Nogales, Arizona, I am proud to support Barack Obama.
He spent part of his childhood in Indonesia and is the son of a man from Kenya and a woman from Kansas. He has lived all over the United States, from Hawaii to New York to Kansas to south-side Chicago. He is well-respected, with a liberal voting record to match any, and an honesty that almost seems as though he’s not a politician.
He talks about us as a group that he would like to help achieve the American Dream. In his tireless work with minorities of all shades for the poor, the underprivileged, and the troubled, he has earned himself our votes.
I respect Hillary Clinton. She will have my vote if she takes the nomination, but there will be many opposed to voting for her under any circumstances. Her legacy is one of the politics of past years: fighting, bitterness, anger. Watch one of his speeches. Obama’s message is clearly one of togetherness, of family, of integrity. People can support that even if they don’t entirely see eye-to-eye with the Democratic plans for the future, and this will enable us to move forward. The idea that we should care for and stand up for each other– as one United States of America– is beautiful.
I will stand with him as long as I am able. Please read about him.
http://www.barackobama.com
Sam
Estoy muy inspirado con la biografÃa de Barack Obama. El candidate fue criado por madre soltera y los abuelos. Obama ha trabajado con muchas personas sin empleo, especialmente los latinos. Como un abogado y senador Obama escucho a la gente latina y la apoyó con vigor. Obama para presidente! Sà se puede!
Jeanne
Here’s Barack Obama’s immigration plan: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/ImmigrationFactSheet.pdf
FM
Thank you for writing in to share your feelings about immigration. Every time I hear you speak or read your words, I find tears coming to my eyes. Is it because what I want to hear most right now is someone human, kind, with an understanding of the difficulties everyone, immigrant or not, face right now?
Thank you for reminding me of the reasons this country is so great, today and, now, for the future.
However, I did find myself react strangely to reading suddenly of the issue of low Latino graduation rates, like if we just worked harder, say like the often cited smart Asian students, we’d advance. Sorry, old wounds.
Maybe seven years ago I would have agreed that – like when I was younger in public school which my parents were proud to send me – if one worked hard, you’d advance, no matter your circumstances.
Yet, after enrolling my son in a local bilingual school in the heart of Silicon Valley, a school with a 90% Latino population, immigrants and often, low income, families, I was absolutely STUNNED to see the conditions of the school. Mold in classrooms, rat droppings, overworked teachers with little patience and empty pockets from having to pay for supplies themselves, metal trailer classrooms without air conditioning on hot, pre- summer days. Overcrowding. I have seen the scene repeated over and over in other school districts in schools with overwhelming Latino majority students.
I worked with a group of many parents to address the conditions, yet, it became very clear that change would take a whole generation and my child needed an education today.
If you are elected President, I hope to see a real review of our public education system that will FIRST ensure EQUAL Educational Conditions and Resources, regardless of race, economic, or social status, for all our children. When Latino students are treated with respect, shared educational resources, and provided clean classrooms, we can achieve the same as anyone else. Without a real assessment of our schools, our children from neighborhoods Latino and not, will continue to be shortchanged.
With all due respect 🙂
A Presidential candidate will need to take a fair look first at how these early circumstances are impacting education of Latino students as we count how many students we have going to college (no offence to those who are headed down the road).
Ultimately, I had a hard choice to make yesterday. I do believe it’s a time in the world when we need strong women leaders. Yet, you made the hard choices from the start and I wanted to vote beyond race and gender to reach for the dream you inspire that brings tears to my eyes. Yet, for that dream to come true, we must TODAY look beyond the usual stereotypical beliefs: like realizing Latinos and African Americans can and do and have over history worked together for amazing changes – the issue with higher education for Latinos must be reviewed from the bottom up, from elementary on, rather than point only to historic under representation at the university level.
One last note, I wonder how the last six years of contentious debates, raids, and negative media coverage impact a whole generation of school age children who read history of immigrant raids, then watch them on the evening news or see it played out in their own living room?
You won the election at my child’s school yesterday, and I was inspired to take their lead, to vote for a different world. They are trusting you to ensure they receive an equal education through university and to make the dream of an equal and equitable education a reality.
Thank you again, to you and your family, for your energy, time and commitment to bring about a better world.
Raphael Ghiwot
Dear Laura and Denise:
Allow me to share with you my understanding of Senator Barack Obamas’ character and how he is going to implement or reform policies, such as immigration policy. First of all, it must be clear that Barack is different, he has been running a different kind of campaign, he has built a different kind of political organization, and he is up to a different kind of approach as to how a federal government should be run.
Secondly, you may have noticed that how he set the tone of the campaign to his standard. Although the media has been negligent or did not want to acknowledge the setting of tone of the campaign to his standard, many Americans know full well that his opponent was left with no choice but to pull herself up to his standard. Whether or not his opponent will maintain that standard in the coming campaign is yet to be seen.
One thing that we must understand from this episode is that Barack seems to be a person of principle, and knows his path well ahead of time. You can tell by his attempt to rectify his audience’s inflated hopes and aspirations by telling them right on the spot that “change does not come so easily, that there will be set backs and false startsâ€, and he further assures them that the change is inevitable. From this it is evident that Barack seems to know what can be done and what it takes to do it.
Furthermore, Barack said in one of his debates/speeches, that he would introduce a complete “transparency”, and in that who said what would be known to Americans, and consequently, elected officials will be bound to do the right thing, and refrain from being politically divisive. That way, the to be “implemented comprehensive immigration reformâ€, when put on table, will be given the attention and urgency it deserves.
One can, therefore, be rest assured that promises that are made by elected officials are not going to be forgotten once the “transparency” is in place. Barack’s position is that for campaign promises to be fulfilled the required change, such as “transparency”, and “poletics” itself need to be taken place in the white house in both its content and process.
The change Barack is going to bring about is completely different to that of his opponents. His opponents seem to define change interns of which party or gender is in power. For Barack, change is beyond party lines and labels. It is a complete change of politics in its application and process. In a way, it is a full implementation of a democratic process; a process in which every one has an equal influence on the way a government should function, and every one will enjoy an equal access in exercising that right at ease and at time of need. Simply put it the science of democracy in process that Barack is going to out in place.
If you need further details, you can visit Barack’s website, and you will find his plans and you can abstract his visions for America.
Vote for Barack Obama!
Raphael
Sean
Barack’s immigration reform plan:
Obama wants to provide a pathway to citizenship in a humane way to the current illegals here, secure the borders to keep more illegals from coming over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNCLomrqIN8
ObamaMama
I just found a new song: Obama Nuestro Presidente, on MySpace. http://www.myspace.com/flowkidvip
It’s excellent!
Who will represent us, someone who can afford to lend her own campaign $5 million (and they say it might get up to $20 million — loose change!). Or someone whose father was an immigrant, and who turned down Wall Street to work as a community organizer with Latinos and African Americans in depressed South Chicago? He is FOR REAL.
Yes We Can
Austin
You said:
“All of these candidates are trying to play both sides of the fence for votes, so I wouldn’t read too much into what he hasn’t even clearly stated the kind of plan he has yet.”
If right now they are both fence sitting, which side do you think the guy with the Immigrant father is going to land on? What about the person who is only here because her Husband was a President?
Frank
No matter who gets elected and no matter what immigration plan they try to implement, it is mind boggling that any American citizen would demonize our government for enforcing it’s immigration laws and demonize their fellow American citizens for expecting them too.
EYES OF TEXAS
Obama would be committing political suicide if he forces any type of amnesty for illegal aliens on the country. He does not want to tarnish his image as the first Black President by pandering to anyone of any particular ethnic origin. If he does so, you probably will not see another ethnic minority President for a long, long time. He realizes that the majority of Americans will settle for nothing less than enforcement of existing immigration laws. Besides, that is only if he defeats Hillary who would also be held accountable to the majority of Americans that want enforcement only. The Democraps have also introduced the Save Act which will probably be passed into law requiring all employers to use the E-Verify system to check employees SS numbers for no-match violations. This alone will dry up jobs for illegal aliens using stolen and fraudulent SS numbers.
If our federal government fails to address illegal immigration issues to the satisfaction of the majority, then the task will fall on states to pass laws to force illegal aliens out of their state. No one wants to see harm come to anyone, but those people here illegally must be handled under the guidelines of our existing immigration laws. Nothing more, nothing less.
Frank
FM, Do your think that tens of millions of illegals MIGHT be placing a strain on an education system NOT set up to handle this influx???? Do you think that MAYBE–JUST MAYBE–that is ONE REASON why countries have immigration laws, i.e., in order to have an orderly immigration system which allows only the number of newcomers which can be assimilated, which does not overwhelm infrastructure and schools, and which protects the jobs of the native population???? In my mind, it takes an extraordinary amount of chutzpah to enter this country illegally, overburden the schools with children who would not otherwise be here, and then COMPLAIN and DEMAND that not enough tax $$$ is being extorted from citizens to pay for building new schools, hiring more teachers, and purchasing new equipment and supplies in order to accommodate that surplus, uninvited population! I doubt that Mexico would put up with this situation for any length of time. It is simply ludicrous by any objective standards!
EYES OF TEXAS
If Obama wins and he starts playing ethnic politics for anyone he will be a one term President. It will also end any chance of having an ethnic minority as President for a long, long time. You really think he wants to take that chance? I don’t. Unless he wants to shoot himself in the foot, he will be very cautious not to turn the majority of Americans against him by making any radical or unpopular changes. Conservative America is still very much alive and will not tolerate changes based solely on ethnicity.
Jim Lyons
The following was written by my friend, Anthony M. Stevens-Arroyo, in December, 2007.
I don’t usually worry much about party politics until the general election. The many debates and a good deal of the media attention try to reduce serious issues to controversies. The focus is on “the horse race†and not on the role of government.
But I had to react against Senator Hillary Clinton’s big gamble at the televised debate in Las Vegas in which she bet that Latinos and Latinas wouldn’t notice how she rolled the dice against us. Just a few days before, she had “stumbled†(word from the blogs) when asked if she supported the New York governor’s decision to issue driver’s licenses to undocumented immigrants. If you didn’t catch it, she first said she “supported the action,†then changed that to she only “understood the reason for the licenses,†than a third version that she hadn’t really taken a stand. The three statements were made within the period of two minutes, something her rivals, Senators Dodd, Edwards and Obama considered confusing – at the very least.
The next few days, according to those in the know, her staff worked furiously to get the governor to retract his initiative – which had been approved by Homeland Security and is already the law in several states including California, the largest in the nation, and in Illinois, the home state of Barack Obama. Days later, her derriere now covered with behind-the-scene maneuvers, Hillary answered the question about licenses for the undocumented in Las Vegas with an unequivocal, “No.â€
I would not be alone in considering this change of position to be a reaction to the polls and a typical politician’s effort to say “whatever is necessary to get elected.†Frankly, I’m disappointed. I’m not sure if the error is big enough to get me to vote against the Senator should she face off against a Republican like Mitt Romney, but it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for her.
Despite a good record for the people of New York, support to end the bombing of Vieques, Puerto Rico and a generally progressive stance on social welfare initiatives, there is very little on the positive side that distinguishes Senator Clinton from any generic brand Democrat. Not so the issue of licenses. The Republicans give every sign of tripping over each other to be the most anti-Latino immigrant candidate for 2008. (Spreading hate for Latinos and Latinas, it would seem, is an easier path to power than supporting the war in Iraq and a national debt over 9 trillion dollars.) Moreover, the impetus to crackdown hard on “illegals†feeds its spawn of racist nationalism and fear-mongering.
Senator Clinton’s cowardice – grudgingly, that is what I would have to call it – sends a signal that we Latinos and Latinas are expendable in her pursuit of the presidency. While her position is virtually the same as that of Chris Dodd of Connecticut, at least he was clear and forthright on his reasons. (Not representing a border state is also part of the background for his stance). I will now seek to support another Democrat for president in 2008, although I was looking forward to see the gender ceiling broken. Defense of our Latino rights and our freedom is too precious to surrender to a merely symbolic victory for women.
Biographical note: Anthony M. Stevens-Arroyo is Professor Emeritus of Puerto Rican & Latino Studies at Brooklyn College. Author and scholar, he serves as member of the Pennsylvania State Advisory Committee to the US Commission of Civil Rights in Washington.
EYES OF TEXAS
She (Hillary) isn’t the first woman to be thrust into the spotlight by accommodating Mr. Bill with a few sexual favors. She, with her teary eyes, is not exactly what I invision as a strong Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. military. Middle-Eastern nations do not have leaders that will show her any respect or accept her as an equal when it comes to worldly affairs. Also, don’t be surprised to see Bill playing a bigger role in her administration than just First Whatever. It will be another four years of national turmoil if she is elected.
Tamara
Hello! I wandered over here from the Obama web site, to read his comments, and your responses. About me: I’m an African American. I have sometimes been discouraged by what seems to be a divide between the African American and Latino community, and I’m especially sorry that this election seems to bear out my experiences. Anyway – I’m here to learn, and to understand a little more about what issues concern the Latino community, and look forward to sharing with you.
One thing I will say, in Barack’s defense, is that he seems to have decided not to play one group against the other. While we may not have all the same issues and concerns – we do have some of the same issues and concerns, and I do believe that we will do so much better as a whole through cooperation.
All the best! Oh! And – how do I say in spanish: Yes we can!? 🙂 Be well, sisters.
Carl
As a community organizer, Barack Obama has a history of bringing people together to solve the difficult problems that face this country. We need a leader who will listen and understand the importance that this issue needs to be solved NOW. Hillary Clinton has had multiple chances in the past 16 years to address this issue and has not. We need new leadership who has spent time in the streets of Chicago as a community organizer understanding the needs of the Latino and entire comuunity. Si se puede!!! Si se puede!!!
laura
Yes – I see how Senator Clinton sold out her supporters whenever she didn’t need them anymore. Just like her husband. She voted for the Iraq war every chance she had. Looking at her donors – she is bought and paid for.
Let’s be clear about Obama – he is no saint either. In 2005, he voted for the bankruptcy law – demanded by the credit card companies – that is now causing much pain to middle class families. He did vote to keep funding the Iraq war once he was a US Senator.
Yet I think there is more of a chance he will be responsive to us. He is already showing that with his stance on drivers’ licenses. But he will be responsive only if we demand responses.
Dee
Latina Lista, It was good to read Sen. Obama´s response to your request.
I am neutral. I support both Hillary and Obama. I enjoyed their debate in LA recently. It is clear, they are both intelligent, determined and will make great Presidents. Both have similar policies, including their stance on Comprehensive Immigration Reform and I believe both will move forward to make positive changes once elected.
I do have two issues with standing too firmly behind Sen. Obama vs Hillary and both issues relate to Electibility. The Dems MUST win in 2008.
1. Media Bias: The Right Wing Media is firmly behind Obama. All of the AM Shock Jocks, Hannity, Tucker and especially Matthews. They also support McCain. It is clear they would rather have Obama as a challenger to McCain vs Hillary.
2.Obama is not vetted. Hillary is and she does, in fact, have “Insiders.” (as someone noted) An electible candidate will need these Insiders to help them overcome the tactics of the GOP. We know what happened to Kerry. (swiftboatting) I have read several ANTI and GOP discussion boards just ravage Obama. They have a list of arguments, much worse than the mild bashing Obama received from Bill.
The bottom line is, our Democratic Presidential Candidate MUST Win!!
I will support whichever candidate the party selects, Hillary or Obama. If elected, each of them will support Comprehensive Immigration Reform and make positive changes.
The question is:
Can Obama beat McCain? I believe Hillary Can.
Latina, we talk about these issues on my blog too. Take care, I love your blog!!
Ana Santana
I have been reading (and posting extracts from) Obama’s “Dreams From My Father” and I am very impressed by his sensitivity and commitment to women’s and family’s causes, as well as by his innate awareness of cultural diversity, not just in America but around the world.
I think that Lista Latina was very blessed to get his contribution como voz convidada!
Si se Puede!!
Sim Podemos!!!
Yolanda Orozco
HRC is trying to convince people that she has more experience than Obama. However, take a look at this, check it out, and decide for yourself who has the experience to represent all people of this country. If you believe Obama has more experience in helping the everyday person, then please pass the information on to those who have yet to vote.
I firmly believe that with Obama, we will have a better future.
Who Has More Experience / Proposed Legislation?
By Michael Huppman – Feb 6th, 2008 at 8:04 pm EST
Senator Clinton has based her campaign on an erroneous claim to greater legislative and administrative experie nce. Former President Clinton talks up her role in his administration on the campaign trail but pointedly refuses to release any documents that would provide greater details on her actual activities there. It is broadly understood that Hillary spearheaded the response team that staved off Republican attacks and spun the many scandals of the Clinton years. As to her Sen ate record, no one in the press has had the diligence to lay out her record for the public to assess.
Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I’ll post them here for you.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O’Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.
Only five of Clinton ‘s bills are more substantive.
16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.
Now, I would post those of Obama’s, but the list is too substantive, so I’ll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparen cy Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.
Ricardo Anzaldua
Jax:
The opportunity that we need to be sure not to lose is that of raising our children bilingually– and thereby of catching up educationally with most of the rest of the developed world, where virtually all educated people are multilingual.
As the father of four Latino children raised in the United States, let me assure you that there is no way a child will grow up in this country without speaking English. The danger is that they grow up without getting the benefit of a second language that their parents can teach them (and I don’t think this is the responsibility of government).
I further assure you, based on personal experience, that capturing the opportunity to teach our children a second language requires a great deal of effort, discipline and sacrifice on the part of the parent. I salute the woman you came across in the grocery store and invite you to expand your horizons.
Ricardo Anzaldua
Hartford, Connecticut
Frank
Some of the remarks in here are just mind boggling. Republicans are anti-Latino immigrant? What in the world does that mean? I know of no Republican candidate that is anti-immigrant or anti-Latino. Some of them are anti-illegal alien and it doesn’t matter what their ethnicity is either. Why all the spin and lies in here?
We have a right to expect our immigration laws to be enforced. We have a right to expect immigrants to come legally. Any decent candidate for the presidency should first and foremost respect the laws of this country and should never run on a platform of rewarding illegal behavior in any way.
We are all Americans no matter what ethnicity we are. Those who think in terms of the latter rather than the former are dividing this country. No group should be treated special either and that includes White people too. What has illegal immigration have to do with the legal Hispanic citizens in this country? Why are so many taking sides with illegal foreigners rather than the rule of law and their fellow American citizens? That isn’t what this country is all about. We take in over a million legal immigrants a year so this country is not inhumane or racist. What is going on here?
Barack Obama
Thank you so much for your comments and to those of you who have posted links to my policy proposals and speeches. My comments were directed at family because I know that families should be at the core of the debate on immigration. We must realize that in order to fix our broken immigration policy, we must bring people from out of the shadows and provide a pathway to legalization. I also believe that any immigration reform bill that is proposed and does not focus on the reunification of families is missing the mark. It is for this reason that during the summer of 2007, I proposed an amendment to the comprehensive immigration reform bill that gave points to those who seek to immigrate and already have family in the United States. I continue to believe that comprehensive immigration reform is crucial and I have pledged to address this issue within my first year as President. It may not be politically convenient or easy, but we have to treat this problem with the urgency it demands. I stood with those calling for comprehensive reform when I marched on May 1, 2005 in Chicago, and I will stand with them as President.
Also, when I mentioned the high drop out rates of Latino children, I also mentioned the importance of the DREAM Act. In order to keep Latino children in school, it is essential that we first give immigrant children hope, the hope they will be able to attend college and make a better life for themselves. We owe it to our children to give them all the resources and opportunities possible. That is why I believe so strongly in making early childhood education, alternative high school programs and college more available and more affordable. It is also important to make mentoring programs and educational summer programs a priority, to help put college within reach. And that’s what I’ll do as President.
Jax
RICARDO A:
Although my Spanish is a bit rusty,I did study the language for three years in High School and Two on College.
I think it’s fair to point out the unassailable fact that many illegal aliens as well as a fair number of legals speak no language other than Spanish.
I have overheard many Spanish speakers speak Spanish exclusively to children in stores and then speak English to store employees. This does not serve the best interests of the children unless they are merely visiting this country. Perhaps the Spanish lessons might be better taught at home.
I don’t expect you to agree with me but I do feel strongly that English should be the official language of this country and that all illegal aliens should be deported. They could then waqit their turn with those from other countries who might like to be here.
Sakina
Frank, yeah we should all get over partisan politics but:
NO HUMANO ES ILEGAL!
There’s a reason I support Obama AND immigrant rights. Please listen to me on this. The HRC campaign will try to lie to you, it’s a slick political machine… how CAN Obama’s campaign, it’s made up of millions of ordinary people.
I think HRC is racist against Latinos (she said she “knew you” because you are “waiters”… not “doctors” and not “lawyers” and not “good friends,” but the people who “cared for our children” … she said that in the New Hampshire Debate) and it disturbs me and it disturbs me to see you give her your trust only to for her to exploit that trust down the line.
You NEED to talk about this. This isn’t about race, it’s about stopping oppression.
Do I believe, because of the research that I’ve done, that HRC and Obama’s immigration reform policy looks the same? NO. NOT AT ALL.
Do I believe that Obama will not improve the lives of immigrants? NO. OR I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR HIM.
We do field work on the ground, me with my bad Spanish, trying to get I.C.E. to go away, alto la migra, all the time.
And I support Obama. And my friends support Obama. Latino activists support Obama.
Please vote for your welfare! The welfare of your children. I am concerned.
Also, he is showing as more electable than Clinton. Time Magazine has said it only today, in polls. Countless other polls have said the same. McCain is disliked almost as much as Clinton. Obama is beloved by people which is how he attracts such a large, awesome, inspired group.
Also, he won’t be bound by political lobbyists.
That’s a big deal in immigration reform, because deportation is a mainly privatized industry. HRC can be swayed by that industry; Obama will not be.
This is revolution, my friends.
VIVA LA RAZA Y VIVA OBAMA!!!!
Frank
Sakino, first let me thank you for not hurling insults my way just because we have a different point of view.
“NO HUMANO IS ILLEGAL”? Depends on what you mean by that. We have people who have violated our immigration laws and that is why they are called illegal aliens. It doesn’t mean that they are as humans born on this earth illegal to the planet. Your remark is just meant to spin the truth.
There is no candidate left in the race that I would feel comfortable voting for. I am a conservative Republican. McCain is not. Not much difference between him and Obama/Clinton. The only thing that I agree with the Democrats on is ending the war. So I guess if I decide to vote at all I would vote for Hillary as she wants to end the war anyway.
I have some serious differences with Obama on CIR based on his statement above. Hillary only gets a slightly better mark in my mind on this issue. What oppression are you speaking of? Could you elaborate? What “immigrants” would Obama improve the lives of? Isn’t this about illegal aliens? Why should we improve their lives? How about improving the lives of Americans? I am thinking of my welfare and the welfare of my children by not supporting the kind of CIR that McCain/Kennedy proposed and was defeated.
The remarks you said that Hillary made about Latinos was about the illegal ones and she meant it as a compliment as in “you cared for our children”. She was pandering to legal Hispanic citizens by showing sympathy and respect for their illegal counterparts. I don’t see why you were offended by that.
Why the “VIVA LA RAZA” at the end of your post? Why not “God Bless America” instead?
EYES OF TEXAS
Come on Frank, you know very well what’s going on here. Can you say La Raza? It’s all about the numbers. While they continue to call us racists their entire agenda is based around their race, and their race only. When was the last time you saw thousands of Asians, Middle-Easterners, Africans or any other ethnic group marching in the streets by the thousands, making demands for changes to our laws and chanting anti-American crap.
As we sit ideally by this nation is under a full invasion for the south by illegal aliens. Most of them are young and immediately start producing anchor babies to further increase their numbers. The majority of them advocate open borders and promote amnesty for those that are already here. Some will openly admit it, some won’t, but eventually the balance will tip in their favor if this situation is left unchecked. Once that occurs, their agenda of bringing down the White power structure, which has existed since the conception of this country, will be achieved. It has nothing to do with being American and all to do with La Raza. Does that just stink with racism or what?
This Presidental election will be the most important one of our life and will determine the type of America that our children and grandchildren will inherit. With any luck it will come down to Obama and McCain as the candidates for President. This combination will bring out White American voters like never before. Whether you like it or not, the racial divide in this country will be the deciding factor at election time. If by chance the candidates are Hillary and McCain things could still be in our favor because even if Hillary wins she will not be so eager to do anything
she has promised. Her promises aren’t worth the breath it took to make them. Besides, she has already taken a stand against drivers licences for illegal aliens and with enough pressure from people that believe in enforcing the laws, she can be kept in check. McCain, is the best bet for actually saving our country even though he was part of the Shamnesty Bill. Recently he seems to be turning around on some of his thinking and I believe he is starting to lean further to the right.
So, if everyone can be honest with themselves, we as a nation have not overcome our racial divide. Too many comments in this blog are proof of that, including mine. It’s only human nature.
Frank
EOT, you are of course right in your summations of what the bottom line agenda is here. I wonder if Obama saw it too? Maybe he doesn’t care because he is a minority sticking up for other minorities? That is another reason I can’t vote for him…racial politics rather than doing what is best for this country and following the rule of law. As you said, I think Hillary will be less of a threat.
I wonder why Obama hasn’t given any thought to the population growth we have already experienced with illegal immigration or how the kind of CIR that was presenented last year will even further our population growth through family reunification and chain migration.
I wish I could trust McCain but I don’t. As I said, if I do vote, I will vote for Hillary because of Obama’s remarks in here.
Dee
Frank,
The ANTI Illegal Immigration debate clearly illustrates the views of many Republicans are ANTI Latino and ANTI Immigrant. The view of the majority of ANTIs includes Mass Deportation of the 12M here, limited future immigration and the enforcement of strict restrictionist laws within our own U.S. communities.
Let´s start with the restrictionist laws, as those enforced in Oklahoma and recently in Arizona. The restrictionist law in Oklahoma includes criminal penalties for those transporting illegal immigrants. Do you know what this means? It means if you give anyone a ride in your car, you need to check for their papers, otherwise, run the risk of being arrested. This means the police are racial profiling all Hispanic driven vehicles and stopping them, as they are doing now in Tulsa. I´ve read several comment sections from the local Tulsa newspapers in which the residents are very upset about what is happening in their communities. Not only Hispanics, but many Native Americans are targeted. Once stopped, the police have a right to inspect anything in your car. If any type of civil violation occurs, you are ticketed (e.g. wiper blade repair). Keep in mind they are targeting people “Driving While Brown (DWB).†Do you know what their citizens are saying? They are saying they did not vote for these laws, why are they made to go through this. (BTW, these laws were championed by the Minutemen Leaders, led by Randy Terrill, REPUBLICAN – Moore, OK with no public vote). Democrats and the Local Chamber are against these laws and are taking actions to rescind them. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080202_1_A1_hItsj23352
Sheriff Arpaio in Arizona is doing the same racial profiling.
News reports are saying throngs of Latinos (legal citizens and illegal immigrants) are leaving both Oklahoma and Arizona now. Who can blame them.
Leading Republicans are supporting these Restrictionist Laws and the Mass Deportation of the 12M here. Who among Republicans? Let´s start with their Presidential Candidates, especially Tancredo (shall we talk about his affiliation with racial Hate Groups), Hunter, Paul, Romney and Huckabee (recent affiliation with Minuteman Gilchrist). Then the Right Wing Shock Jocks including: Limbaugh, Hannity, Buchanan, Coulter, Malkin, Beck and Dobbs. Why do you think these guys are angry at McCain? Because he is the only candidate that supports CIR. Read the ANTI blogs and ANTI discussion boards including the Minuteman Project, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Alipac to see their HATE FILLED ANTI LATINO Discussions. In fact, the Anti-Defamation League has said these ANTI groups are Hate Groups. Both the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center have acknowledged the “Code Words of Hate†used by these ANTI groups. http://www.wecanstopthehate.org/site/page/code_words_of_hate
It is important that we all recognize what is happening in our country right now. Our country needs not only a CHANGE but a CORRECTION, just as it did during the fifties and sixties. In the sixties we needed the Civil Rights Movement. Today we need to “Stop the Hate.†The word Obama used during the last debate “Scape-goating†was EXACTLY RIGHT!
The candidate that acknowledges and exposes this Hate and creates and supports a Movement to Correct It will WIN the nomination.
We Latinos LOVE our great USA! Of course we support Secure Borders and Employer Sanctions for unscrupulous employers. The difference is, we look for a path to citizenship for the 12M who are here felony free (most have been here +5 – 20 years). We support Comprehensive Immigration Reform. We are loyal, educated, we serve in the military. To claim anything else is a Lie. We must support and vote for a DEMOCRAT in 2008 for President!
Dee
http://immigrationmexicanamerican.blogspot.com/
Sakina
Frank, why are you spouting offensive and racist views on Latina Lista? Did you take a wrong-turn in Amarillo or something? Your views are atrocious.
Am I an American? I’m a Daughters of the Revolution American. But I also know that the struggle of Latinos is a serious, basic human rights and civil rights issue. I’m not out to convert people like you, but I am out to help Latinos, Latino-Americans, etc…
Why? Because I have a good heart, plain and simple. Because I can’t stand by idly while I see injustice performed upon a proud people. Because I don’t believe in white privilege. I want the American dream of freedom and equality and happiness for all who make it to our grounds.
And I do strongly feel that Senator Obama is the MOST ELECTABLE candidate to do that.
Time Magazine shows McCain can’t beat him, but that McCain can beat Hillary. That means really careful voting for anyone who doesn’t want 100 years of war, or another 4-8 years of a Republican in the white house.
Please do your research, Latina Lista. I am one voice. There are millions more like mine. Go onto Obama’s site and check for yourself. Go post something. The whole site is en espanol, derecha, there’s a button to change it. If you like what you see, show your parents, other non-English speakers, and if they don’t read, talk with them one to one. If they say they want to vote HRC, explain why members from the Committee For Immigrant Rights will support them, members from the County of Refuge, Dolores Huerta, La Opinion, who writes:
El Partido Demócrata llega a la primaria de California con una oferta histórica entre dos candidatos extraordinarios. Creemos que entre ellos el senador Barack Obama representa realmente el cambio en una campaña en que “el cambio” es el tema central. Los puntos sobre inmigración del legislador de Illinois y su visión inspiradora es lo que necesita el paÃs para salir del sentimiento actual de agotamiento polÃtico.
No hay duda de que la senadora Hillary Clinton serÃa una presidenta excelente si fuera electa. Es una mujer capaz, competente, disciplinada y trabajadora que ha demostrado talento como legisladora y que tiene la posición correcta en la mayorÃa de los temas. Su plan para un seguro de salud universal es un ejemplo de las valiosas iniciativas que ha propuesto la candidata. SerÃa grandioso poder elegir a la primera mujer presidente de esta nación.
La senadora ha obtenido un respaldo significativo de influyentes y reconocidos lÃderes nacionales latinos como Raúl Yzaguirre, Henry Cisneros y el alcalde Antonio Villaraigosa. Ella trabajó arduamente durante muchos años representando el mejor interés de los latinos y su compromiso personal esta documentado a lo largo de esta campaña.
Sin embargo, este es un momento histórico donde la gran capacidad y experiencia de la senadora es insuficiente para brindar al paÃs el sentido de renovación que necesita después de ocho años de George W. Bush.
Nos ha desilusionado también la calculada oposición de Clinton a las licencias de conducir para los indocumentados, que contrasta con la contundencia de los argumentos de Obama a favor de las mismas. Sabemos que eso es muy controversial, pero hay una sola posición correcta y es la del legislador de Illinois. Ambos senadores respaldan una reforma integral de inmigración, pero Obama es el único que se comprometió a presentar de nuevo el proyecto de ley durante su primer año de gobierno.
Ese mismo compromiso con el tema migratorio llevó a Obama a condenar en un debate las mentiras que se dicen maliciosamente sobre ellos; a comprender la necesidad de las licencias y a defender a los estudiantes indocumentados con la coautorÃa del DREAM Act en la Legislatura. El senador ha mostrado carácter, manteniendo su lÃnea pese al antagonismo del clima polÃtico.
Al mismo tiempo, no existe una gran diferencia entre los dos demócratas en la mayorÃa de los temas más importantes; por eso la visión marca la diferencia. Obama tiene un mensaje inclusivo y de esperanza, necesario para los momentos que vive el paÃs. Él reúne las condiciones conciliadoras para revertir el cÃrculo vicioso de rencor que desde hace décadas predomina en Washing-ton y paraliza las grandes decisiones necesarias.
Necesitamos un presidente que de nuevo inspire y una a los ciudadanos alrededor de las grandes posibilidades que nos brinda el futuro. Obama es el lÃder adecuado para este momento. Sabemos que no es muy conocido en nuestra comunidad y si bien tiene el respaldo de MarÃa Elena Durazo, del senador Gil Cedillo y de otros. No obstante, es quien hoy merece el respaldo de la comunidad latina.
Los demócratas ya están haciendo historia al tener que decidir su candidato a presidente entre una mujer y un afroamericano.
Barak Obama tiene la sensibilidad de un origen humilde, de un hogar multicultural y es la mejor opción para un cambio visionario.
EYES OF TEXAS
Once again the pro-illegal alien crowd has twisted words to make those that oppose illegal immigration and open borders to be haters and racists. No one has stated that they are anti-immigration or anti-Hispanic. Illegal aliens in this country fall into many ethnic groups from every nation in the world. It’s that the majority of them are from Mexico and South America and these are the ones that take the term “illegal alien” personally and as an attack on their race. Wrong, wrong , wrong. Legal and controlled immigration is supported by most everyone. Secure borders is what maintains a countries sovereignty and protects its citizens from foreign invasion.
For those demanding amnesty for the 20-25 million illegal aliens currently in our nation, stop and remember the blanket amnesty of 1986 that has created the problem we have today. Those that have broken laws must be held accountable, not rewarded for ignoring immigration laws that they chose to break. There is nothing racist or nothing anti-Hispanic about demanding full enforcement of laws currently in effect. We all want the American dream of freedom and equality and happiness for all who make it to our grounds LEGALLY AND AS DICTATED BY OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS.
Dee
Eyes of Texas,
Your name calling and accusations are false.
No one on the PRO side is Pro Illegal Alien (no human is Illegal).
We are PRO CIR (Comprehensive Immigration Reform). We want to legalize the 12M here who are felony free. Your side stopped CIR with your mass form letters campaign loading up the Congressional faxes and emails. (It is clear the FEW on your side are NOT the Majority in our great USA, otherwise Tancredo would be the GOP Presidential nominee.)
We DO NOT support Open Borders. We promote Secure Borders, with trained Border Patrol Agents. We DO NOT support vigilante minutemen driving around in their pickup trucks with guns shooting at people.
We DO NOT support restrictionist Immigration laws like those enacted in Oklahoma that promote racial profiling. Citizens were not allowed to vote for these bills. They were pushed through by Minutemen leaders. Now, the sane members of OK. Congress are trying to rescind them. Note: in one respect, it is good they did pass these laws so the Nation can see the impact on the economy and on citizens (Latinos and Native Americans) being racially profiled.
It is important that anyone who enters into Immigration discussions understand the History of Immigration in our country. Our country has welcomed in workers from Latin countries for over a hundred years. They have partnered with Mexico and initiated work programs such as the Bracero program to bring in workers. Even when Immigration laws were imposed, they were not enforced. It is Business and the various Administrations that have brought in workers and employed them, while parntering with our Southern Neighbors on NAFTA and CAFTA to allow Free Trade and establish additional manufacturing partnerships like the maquiladoras program.
Brewing beneath the surface, the ANTI godfather, John Tanton, began his nativist quest to restrict immigration particularly from the south. He said Hispanics were not educatable. He said we should limit and restrict immigration. He formed FAIR and sponsored other groups including: NumbersUSA with Roy Beck, ProAmericaPAC with Bay Buchanan, and You Don´t Speak for Me, a so-called Hispanic group which was actually started by Tanton and Ira Mehlman. Tanton sponsored many other nativists groups which began the ANTI dialogue in the 1970´s and gained energy after 9-11, partnering with nativist groups including the Minutemen, Stormfront, VDare, Alipac, etc. These groups promote fear tactics by using terms such as 3rd World Country (eg: Tancredo´s line: “Miami is a 3rd World Countryâ€), Anchor Babies, Disease (eg: Dobbs gross exaggerations about Leprosy) and blaming the crimes of a few on ALL 12M.
The Anti Defamation League (ADL) has said these ANTI groups are Hate Groups and has begun a campaign to Stop the Hate.
These are complex issues, my friend. Most Americans know that and understand it will take Comprehensive Immigration Reform to resolve these very complex issues.
Dee
http://immigrationmexicanamerican.blogspot.com/
Frank
Well so much for my compliment to Sakina for addressing me without insults with her first reply to me. I should have know that the pro illegals true colors would come out in the wash.
I said nothing that was racist. I said that I don’t like racial or ethnic politics. I want a president who represents all Americans. What is racist about that?
I asked if Obama had given any thought to population growth and the ensuing chain migration from the type of CIR that he is proposing. What is racist about that?
EOT, you are right. These people can’t stand any enforcement of our immigration laws but they can’t attack the government so they attack us instead. There is nothing racist about wanting our immigration laws enforced, absolutely nothing! They try to turn it into an anti-Latino, anti-immigrant issue and that is a bald faced lie!
These people claim to have good hearts but it is only extended towards their own ethnic kind who are here illegally in this country, not American citizens.
All the rest of the whining about ICE, racial profiling and the rest of their blather is just to gain sympathy for those illegally in our country and to pull the race card at every turn. Shameful that our country has become divided in this way rather than united by the laws and sovereignty of this country.
Dee
Frank and EOT,
It is a shame you do not speak to the hard facts, the complexity of the Immigration issues or the history I have detailed in my previous posts.
When I speak of CIR, I did not indicate any ethnicity. CIR is for ALL the 12M. It is you and your side that continues to bring up and demonize Hispanics. Which one of Tanton´s ANTI group do you belong to? Be honest. FAIR? NumbersUSA? I noticed EOT quoted some of Beck´s false states and recommendations on population stabilization. Please tell us which ANTI group you belong to so we understand your agenda. Do you belong to the Minutemen, Alipac, VDare? Stormfront? Come on. Be Honest.
No one is whining on this board but both of you.
The facts and the documentation are clear. Read the articles I provided. Tulsa leaders are looking to rescind the restrictionist laws. Read the facts on how the Oklahoma laws were established. There was not a popular vote. Instead the Minutemen promoted the idea and Republican Randy Terrill pushed it through, with no popular vote.
Read the comments from the Tulsa papers. Read about the racial profiling from the people themselves.
Don´t be in denial.
We live in a beautiful country Frank and EOT. We Hispanic Americans are loyal, honest and dedicated. We believe in Freedom of Speech. We don´t restrict your right to speak so please stop trying to stop us from speaking out and speaking the truth.
We need Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Once passed, we can get on and resolving the real issues our country is facing including the Economy and getting out of Iraq. A Democratic President like Obama or Hillary will help get us there! We are Voting Democratic in November!!
Dee
http://immigrationmexicanamerican.blogspot.com/
Maria Buenrostro
I’ve been reading all the messages posted, why does it all come down to racial issues? I once admired Hillary Clinton, however, over the years Hillary has been implicated in so many different criminal actions that I feel it really is time for change in DC. As an immigrant raised in US, I feel Obama represents the heart and backbone of this country. He is solid in his convictions and issues and doesn’t back out. He inspires HOPE, and he inspires the possibility of REAL change and there is nothing false in hope. IF you dislike Obama, then think of it this way, vote for the lesser of the two evils. We already know the Clintons, they already promised us Health reform and had eight years to do it. They left the whitehouse and the economy on the brink, only letting Bush take the fall.
Frank
I have never demonized loyal, law abiding hispanics or any other law abiding citizens. That is a lie made up by the non-loyal, non-law abiding citizens of this country about the loyal citizens of this country.
I also am not bringing up ethnicity in this issue either. I want ALL illegals to return to their homelands.
Speaking for myself I am not a member of any of the groups mentioned or not mentioned. I do however believe it desirable to stabilize our population growth based on my own research and common sense.
There are “whiners” on both sides of this issue but let’s just dispel the “whiners” then and just talk about those who want serious debate, ok?
Just because our government has looked away with a wink and not secured our borders does not justify the continuance of this corruption now or in the future. Illegal immigration has reached critical mass now. Time for change as you all like to say. Americans are not going to lay down and roll over today, because of our corrupt government’s lack of border security of the past. The party is over now! We need to enforce our immigration laws and secure our borders and any short term downturn in our economy be damned. We will be a much stronger country returning to the rule of law and only allowing immigrants to come legally as needed.
I have seen too many instances of freedom of speech being denied to those who want our laws upheld by those who don’t so that is also a lie! The Lou Dobbs show the other say was one example. It happened on several college campuses too. One person’s so-called “hate speech” is another person’s truth. Who gets to determine what is and what isn’t? Besides we are guaranteed by law “freedom of speech” even if you don’t like it.
No one can make a blanket statement about their ethnic group as all being loyal Americans. That is another lie! Some are, some aren’t. I can say the same for White Americans. Some are, some aren’t. See how the truth looks instead of lying?
Evelyn
This is an answer to the lies you try to discredit me with posted in the other thread, Frank.
It’s abundantly clear that many others agree with me.
Apparently YOU are the person with alzheimer’s that likes to lie.
When I came to this forum, I mistook the racist rants and lies you were using to demonize immigrants and Hispanics as possibily coming from a person who was misinformed.
Later after much credible evidence was presented to you that debunked all the lies you still choose to use, did I realize you were a racist.
Continuously to this day you regeritate the same lies over and over and admittedly refuse to remove yourself from the racist agenda you have chosen to embrace.
After your choices to embrace racism and parrot the lies racist tell it is crystal clear you are a racist.
When I pointed out your racism, and the fact that you like John Tanton are using his lies to dehumanize immigrants and Hispanics, you whined and said I used “personal Insults” against you, and that those insults originated with me.
I have reminded you several times that I’m not buying the spin, lies, misinformation, half-truths or re-focusing tactics you so often try to peddle. It seems that no one else except Eyes is either.
When you act like a racist, and talk like a racist, you cannot call it a, “personal attack” when someone calls you a racist. The same goes for lying, when you choose to lie over and over and are called a liar you cannot call that a “personal attack.”
On the other hand you have launched personal attacks against me on several occasions, and enthusiastically supported others who have done the same. However, I have always turned the tables on you and the others and made you look like the fools you are.
Your attacks have come when you are cornered and have no way of justifying the lies you always use. When cornered you are quick to re-focus the issue to attacking my person.
So quit whining Frank, and stop the lies and racism. As you can see you are the minority. No one believes you anymore.
Alex
OBAMA for President!!!! Si Se Puede!!!
Alex
Clearly Frank and Eyes of Texas are one of these paid bloggers for the Gop or, what is the same, maybe the KKK or a neonazi group. I would not be surprised if they are members of the racist Minute Men. Don’t be intimidated by them. They do not understand the humanity problem of the undocumented immigrants who have already established roots here and just want a better future for their families.
By the way. i firmly believe that Obama is the best solution for the country’s problems. Just one example of racist anti-latino Gopers, Tancredo and his puppil Romney.
legalatina
Obama has just confirmed why he would not be fit for President. Touting his pandering to the illegal alien lobby IS NOT what any Presidential candidate should be addressing. He incorrectly assumes that all “Latinas” in this country share a monolithic view on the issue of illegal immigration and border security. Of course, we are concerned by the abysmmal high school graduation rates of Hispanic students…..that certainly isn’t going to be addressed by anyone present in California state politics….their record is very very poor on that issue. Secondly, making Hispanic Americans and working families subsidize in-state tuition for illegal aliens is absurd. Does he realize that many the National Guard in CA do NOT receive ANY college-tuition discounts…..including any Hispanic Americans in the Guard? Obama like Hillary, mistakenly presume that all LAtinos in this country are in one way or another either illegally present or have family members that are…that is so patronizing and insulting. ‘
Frank
Funny how Evelyn can’t keep her posters straight in here. I have never demonized Hispanics and I have never told a lie in here. She doesn’t know the difference between myself Horace, EOT or anyone else in here who is opposed to illegal immigration. She hears something from one poster and she blanketly applies it to me and anyone else who opposes her views.
Some kind of mental block is at work here when one can’t even keep the posters in here straight. I have never quoted statistics by John Tanton or any other source in here. It was someone else. But that won’t stop her personal attacks anyway.
Frank
Alex, you are wrong. I am not paid by any political or radical organization to post in here and I am not a member of any either. Why can’t you people see that there are just regular non-racist Americans that just want our immigration laws enforced and we are the mjaority of anti’s not any who may have a racist agenda. Why can’t you just accept that instead of going on the personal attack? There is nothing racist about our views. To say so is to call our whole country and government racists as they enacted immigration laws in the first place.
It is just plain sickening the way people like you have turned your backs on your fellow non-racist, law abiding citizens and this country for some ethnocentric agenda. You will never get what you want by pulling the race card at every turn.
Frank
I suggest anyone who is interested in the real truth about who said what in here and who has always started with the personal insults for no good reason and who has had to retaliate to defend themselves from the “initial” personal attacks to go back thru each thread and the facts will be right there for all to read. My opinions have always been my own. No one influences me. I don’t dwell on or post negative articles about illegal aliens. I respect law abiding Hispanics. My arguments and views are all based on the rule of law and the reasons those laws are in place. They aren’t based on anything else. End of story!
EYES OF TEXAS
Honestly, I am not, have never been and will never be a member of any group or organization that you keep trying to put me in. My thoughts are my own and any resemblance to someone elses statements are coincidental. I advocate for enforcement of all laws, including immigration laws, at all levels of our government, city, state and federal. There are certain laws, particularly at city level, that I disagree with, but I obey those laws none the less. Those that have chosen to break laws and then advocate changing those laws to eliminate their guilt or consequences are making unrealistic demands. Like the old saying, “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”. All the people that are in this country illegally know they have broken the law and now must be held accountable. That does not include rewarding their unlawful behavior with amnesty or immunity from prosecution. If I broke a law, I would expect to suffer the consequences just as the illegal aliens should expect the same.
My statements are thrown back at me as lies, racism and other accusations only because they do not agree with the views of those that support illegal aliens and keep demanding an amnesty. Amnesty, or as you put it, CIR, is not the solution. That was proven in 1986 when this uncontrolled illegal immigration flood began by people setting themselves in position for another amnesty.
Vanessa
Frank,
You make the statement that you don’t want to vote for a non-white person because it will inject race politics into the mix, or because he might support one minority over all Americans.
Then does the typical politician, a white man, focus on the “white male” demographic, or is he somehow unaffected by this need to support people who are like himself? If, as you argue, he can represent all of us, then what can’t a man who is not white represent you and serve your needs?
Obama has talked about helping all Americans find the dream– including those who are not at all like you.
It is the fallacious and race-based argument above that causes some to be offended and assume you are a racist.
EYES OF TEXAS
If Obama does make it to the White House he will most likely avoid any type of racial pandering for any particular ethnic group. At this stage of the game it’s about saying whatever it takes to get the votes. Once elected, he will not take the chance of tarnishing his role as the first Black President by playing ethnic politics. If he chooses to do so, you will not see an ethnic minority as President for a very long time. He is smart enough to know the backlash he will experience by even suggesting a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens.
Frank
Vanassa, where did I say that I wouldn’t vote for a non-white person? I swear there is a huge reading comprehension problem in here. What I said is that I wouldn’t vote for a candidate who plays ethnic politics. Hell, White politicians are doing that too! That is why I would never vote for McCain and he is White for God’s sake.
I will not vote for any candidate who is pandering to illegal aliens and their supporters either. That shows no respect for our laws.
Right now, I have no candidate that I can cast my vote for.
Frank
Actually, there are two White candidates left in the race, McCain and Hillary and I wouldn’t vote for either of them either. Still want to accuse me of only voting for a White person?
Evelyn
Frank flip-flopping or what I call lying. Now I really do believe you have Alzheimer’s.
Above Frank states:
“I wish I could trust McCain, but I don’t. If I do vote I will vote for Hillery.”
Today Frank States:
“I will not vote for any candidate who is pandering to Illegal Aliens and their supporters either.
Right now I have no candidate that I can cast my vote for.”
What happened Frank? Where are the “majority of law abiding American Citizens” that you thought supported your racist views?
Did they abandon you for me? Ha! Ha! Ha!
Evelyn
Frank
You say your opinions are your own yet you have defended the minuteKlan.
I have another list of lies and racist views parroting the hate speech used by John Tanton’s groups to demonize Hispanics and Immigrants used by you on different threads on this forum.
This is the second list and the second time you lie by saying you have “never demonized Hispanics” and “don’t post negative articles about illegal aliens.”
1. “many Hispanics in this country want Illegal immigration to continue from their ethnic group so that they can become the majority in this country”
2. “how about we let in all the Islamic freaks too”
3. “how do uneducated Illegal aliens expect to replace”
4.”what about the fact that our government hasn’t protected U.S. from the illegal invasion by not securing”
5. “legalizing millions more uneducated people in this country”
6. The illiterate immigrants from south of the border are not coming here legally”
7. “our gov. allowed this illegal alien tsunami to happen”
This is called HATE SPEECH FRANK!
Evelyn
Eyes
If you are not a member of any group or organization, why do you defend Stormfront and parrot the hate speech of the white supremists group?
You stated:
“Martin Luther King left his mark on American History and only those foolish enough to believe he was some sort of savior continue to honor his plagiarized writings, his claims of being a doctor, his claims of being a Reverend and a man that pulled the wool over the eyes of most of the world. The Obama of of his time.
Please go to martinlutherking.org and meet the real man.”
Eyes also stated:
“King was a womanizer, plagiarism and an overall shady character with ties to elements of communism. For Obama, Muslim, attends a church with a minister that is a racist, his greatness is a creation of the media”
I responded:
Eyes, I did some research and found that your MLK website is hosted by STORMFRONT!
One of the first hate websites on the Internet. It has ties to White Supremacists groups all over the world.
Don Black the leader of Stormfront says his idea of “white pride” involves demeaning, demonizing, and menacing Jews and non whites, and his concept of victory, includes the creation of ethnically cleansed political enclaves.”
After defending this group as “racist in the minds of supporters of Illegal aliens” Eyes went on to state:
“We’re not allowed to express “white pride”, have a NAAWP, white berets, or anything that promotes a unification of our ethnic groups.”
Evelyn
Code Words of Hate
Often identified in the media or their mission statements as “anti-illegal immigration advocacy groups,” they attempt to distort the debate over immigration by fomenting fear and spreading unfounded propaganda through the use of several key tactics.
1. Describing immigrants as “third world invaders,” who come to America to destroy our heritage, “colonize” the country and attack our “way of life.” This charge is used against Hispanics, Asians and other people of color.
2. Using terminology that describes immigrants as part of ‘hordes’ that “swarm” over the border. This dehumanizing language has become common.
3. Portraying immigrants as carriers of diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis, chagas disease, (a potentially fatal parasitic disease), dengue fever, polio, malaria.
4. Depicting immigrants as criminals, murderers, rapists, terrorists, and a danger to children and families.
5. Propagating conspiracy theories about an alleged secret “reconquista” plot by Mexican immigrants to create a “greater Mexico” by seizing seven states in the American Southwest that once belonged to Mexico.
EYES OF TEXAS
Excuse me, but I have to weigh in on this hate speech issue. Someone here has a very thin skin and is way too easily offended by statements that don’t appear to have anything to do with hate. For example, “many” does not constitute an exact number. Many radical Hispanic organizations preach of becoming the majority through illegal immigration and the fact that they come here and multiply like rabbits in order to become the power structure of this country. That includes their dream of finding their beloved Assland. No hate there, only facts.
We are currently in a war against radical Islamic factions that want to destroy Western civilization and convert everyone to their barbaric throwback religion. So, if we allow millions to come here illegally from the south, why not open the gates for everyone, no matter what their intent. No hate there, only truth.
I don’t see any of the illegal aliens from the south coming here to be doctors or lawyers. Illiteracy is not a nasty word and most of the illegal aliens coming here have less than an 8th grade education and are not at a level of knowledge to be literate based on American standards. No hate here, only fact.
Since the mass amnesty of 1986 the U.S. government has done very little to stop illegal immigration. That includes unsecure borders, visa over stays, and turning their backs to the problem so big business can obtain a cheap labor force. A nation that does not maintain its sovereignty is no longer protecting its citizens. If we continue to legalize (amnesty) millions of uneducated (by American standards) illegal aliens it will drag our economy down and bankrupt our social services, schools, hospitals, and deplete our natural resources due to overpopulation. Our country has a hard enough time meeting the needs of its citizens without the added burden of millions from other nations. No hate here, only fact.
One more fact, come here legally based on the needs of our citizens and business, you will be welcomed. Come here illegally and you have committed a crime and will be held accountable.
Frank
So it is alright for Latinos to agree with what the NCLR spouts as “hate speech” but not ok for law abding Americans to agree with certain points of groups/individuals such as Lou Dobbs? One man’s hate speech is another man’s truth but the truth is backed up by facts. The truth cannot be “hate speech”. The truth stands on it’s own merit.
1. The truth…Many Hispanics do want the flow of illegals of like ethnicity to continue so they can become the majority in this country.
2.The truth…Some people think that we should allow in every immigrant that wants to come here, therefore my remark about that would mean including the Islamic radicals too.
3. The truth…this remark was about it being unrealistic to expect uneducated illegals to be able to replace retiring Americans in skilled or
highly skilled jobs.
4. The truth…our government HASN’T secured our borders from a foreign invasion. Are you saying that they have?
5. The truth…legalizing those already here are mostly the undeducated.
6. The truth…most of those coming here from south of the border are uneducated and coming illegally.
7. The truth…. who else allowed this to happen other than our government?
Please point out the “hate speech” that isn’t backed up by the truth and facts.
Frank
A week or so ago I would have voted for Hillary over Obama or McCain. Since then I have changed my mind. One is allowed to change their mind, aren’t they? There is no one in this race now that I would vote for as I stated in my last post. Changing one’s mind doesn’t make then a liar.
Frank
Code Words of Hate????????
1. Describing immigrants as “third world invaders,” who come to America to destroy our heritage, “colonize” the country and attack our “way of life.” This charge is used against Hispanics, Asians and other people of color.
….Most of these illegal aliens (not immigrants) are from third world countries. That is a fact, not hate speech. They don’t necessarily come with the above intents but that has been the result in many places….
2. Using terminology that describes immigrants as part of ‘hordes’ that “swarm” over the border. This dehumanizing language has become common.
…Hordes and swarms according to the dictionary is anything or anyone that comes in numerous amounts. Where is the dehumanizing in those terms? Those are the facts!…
3. Portraying immigrants as carriers of diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis, chagas disease, (a potentially fatal parasitic disease), dengue fever, polio, malaria.
…We have no way of knowing how many bring in deseases but the fact remains that legal immigrants get health checks before being allowed entry and the illegals do not. So the likelihood of deseases being brought in by people entering without health checks who live in squalid conditions in their homelands is not an unreasonable assessment….
4. Depicting immigrants as criminals, murderers, rapists, terrorists, and a danger to children and families.
…No, I don’t know of anyone who blanketly calls all illegal aliens these names. That is a lie! There are of course some who do fit those catagories just like some Americans fit those catagories….
5. Propagating conspiracy theories about an alleged secret “reconquista” plot by Mexican immigrants to create a “greater Mexico” by seizing seven states in the American Southwest that once belonged to Mexico.
…There is a reconquista plot going on in this country by certain people and everyone knows that. There are certain undeniable groups that advocate this and there have been signs at rallies and marches that depict that agenda. This info is readily availabe on the internet and published by the groups themselves. We just don’t know the volume of it. But it is un-American and it is out there. I can’t believe that the NCLR would deny this….
These things are all facts, they aren’t hate speech. Facts and truth cannot be hate speech.
EYES OF TEXAS
Is it racist to have pride for ones own ethnicity? Is it wrong to promote ideas that are beneficial to ones own race, above all others? It is wrong to assume that someone is racist just because their views do not coincide with your views. If you can be honest with yourself, you will realize that you do place your race above all others in time of conflict. That is only human nature and is connected to our survival instincts which have been part of humanity since early humans began to intermingle. I’m not saying it is right, but racial divides can not be denied by anyone who supports a cause based on their own ethnicity. So be honest with yourself and admit that many of our problems today are racially motivated, yours and mine.
Frank
EOT, since your last comment appeared just after mine, it makes it appear that your remarks were directed at me and I know they were not but you know how “some” people become easily confused in here. Could you address the person you are replying to in the future? Thanks!
Evelyn
Eyes Frank
You have done an excellent job of showing your ignorance and exposing your racism in the most putrid way, better than I could have ever hoped for.
Lately I have told you that my job is done when I am able to expose the racism, bigotry, and lies you hold so dear to your heart. I know that no matter how many times you are proved wrong you will never accept that racism is wrong. I believe racism is ingrained in your genes.
It is because of this show of bigotry that you and others have been putting on for the past two years, that people are totally disgusted and are rapidly changing their minds on the immigration issue. It is funny, I felt like I was fighting a battle that was impossible to win, but it is you who have helped me prove that you are liars and bigots. You truly did an excellent job.
NCLR did not determine “Code Words of Hate,” it was the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center. Together these institutions have over 150 years of experience fighting for civil rights and exposing all forms of bigotry. Because of this your attempts at defending yourselves are at best dumb. NCLR only asked for help after people like you started spewing all the hate you have cloaked yourself with.
EYES OF TEXAS
The posts in here fall in random order and my post was meant for no one in particular. My statements were to emphasize the fact that an individual of any ethnicity will always take the side of those like themselves. That has been proven over and over again on this blog and any others that discuss issues that revolve around race. I have seen no one here defending Chinese illegal aliens, Arabian illegal aliens, European illegal aliens, only Hispanic illegal aliens. That to me would indicate racial bias on the part of all of the people posting in here. You have chosen to pick one ethnic group over all others, which would lead me to believe they are racially motivated. It’s as simple as “Birds of a feather flock together”.
Frank
The SPLC and ADL are leftist/Socialist organizations with an agenda of their own which has nothing to do with the best interests of American citizens. They have NO CREDIBILITY because they pay no attention to hate on the other side. If they were truly concerned with hatred and racism, they would be addressing the hatred and racism which is very apparent amongst the pro-amnesty, racist Latinos. They do not because it does not suit their leftist agenda. Therefore, they forfeit any claims of objectivity.
Rosalba Córdova
Hola Amig@s,
Yo vivo Villahermosa, Tab., México,amigos en verdad espero que sus votos valgan lo suficiente para poner a Obama en la Presidencia de los Estados Unidos, quisiera que ese hombre que nos inspira la confianza que los latinos sólo dejamos en manos de quienes tienen sentimientos profundos hacia nuestros arraigados valores, convirtiera esa gran potencia en una nación que guie al resto del mundo hacia una vida pacifica, a alcanzar acuerdos internacionales que se fundamenten en los derechos humanos de todos los pueblos, que se preocupe por una polÃtica no proteccionista unicamente de los derechos de los americanos sino universal, brindando seguridad a todos los que en ese paÃs conviven, con mente abierta y con conocimiento de que el avance de todos los pueblos nos beneficiará a todos, quisiera poder dejar mi voto aunque sea virtual por el único candidato que me da esperanzas para que mis paisanos en Estados Unidos puedan vivir de forma respetable, el único candidato que creo influirá favorablemente en las polÃticas de mi propio paÃs, en el único candidato que esta en contra de la guerra en Irak, el único candidato que tiene raÃces profundas en tierras más alla de norteamerica, el único candidato que serÃa capaz de sacar a estados Unidos de ese letargo en la que lo ha sumido Bush, de repararlo y llevarlo nuevamente a la cuspide.
Dios quiera y nuestra fuerza lo permita que Obama sea presidente, ojala algún dÃa tenga la oportunidad de escuchar en vivo alguno de sus discursos, porque tan sólo de leerlos me exalta los sentimientos de paz, hermandad y esperanza.
Nunca creà que pudiera decir que es mejor un hombre (Obama) para presidente que una mujer (Clinton), claro que Clinton es una gran mujer, pero serÃa retomar el pasado, y en estos momentos en todo el mundo necesitamos nuevos aires, nueva conciencia, despegarnos de los errores del pasado para crear una nueva mentalidad en los jovenes, la gente joven necesita ser escuchada, las nuevas generaciones queremos paz y proteger este planeta, queremos comida y salud para todos.
Obama permitirá que mis amigos y familiares en Estados Unidos vivan sin ser perseguidos.
Rosalba Córdova
Villahermosa, Tab., México.
Evelyn
Eyes
Even though I am Indian and Irish I have seen no one attacking them. I haven’t seen anyone attacking Chinese, Arab or European Immigrants either. The only attacks are against Hispanics and Immigrants who are Hispanic, so that blows buckshot right through your statement.
As a proud American who is not Hispanic, I defend the Constitution of the United States of America. I have a big heart and believe we must show compassion and humanity when dealing with other human beings, no matter where they are from or what color their skin is.
I believe the recent trends in the vote for a presidential candidate show that most Americans think like me, making me no one special just another proud American who will defend JUSTICE and EQUALITY for all people in America.
“Birds of a feather” would be you and Frank.
Evelyn
Frank
Your statement about the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League is another opinion parroted by all the racist, bigots, xenophobes, fear-mongers, race mongrels, and zealots who use various lies to try and discredit these organizations that track them and are often called into court to testify against them.
Thank you for another splendid display of your bigotry.
Evelyn
Hola amiga Rosalba,
Bienvenida al foro de Latina Lista. Como puede ver nosotros también estamos en la lucha por nuestras vidas. Como usted, habemos muchos que también creemos que Barak Obama es el mejor candidato a la presidencia de Estados Unidos.
Estamos totalmente disgustados con la guerra en Iraq y la actitud de la actual administración asà a los emigrantes. Los racistas han paralizado el congreso con sus mentiras, y apenas estamos saliendo de una lucha larga para que salga la verdad a la luz.
Obama es el único candidato que puede unir este paÃs como estaba antes, y el único que influirá favorablemente en la polÃtica de todos los paÃses.
Yo pienso que Dios ve la desesperacion y el sufrimiento de su gente y con la ayuda de el vamos a lograr que sea Obama el siguiente presidente de Estados Unidos.
Muchos saludos a todo Méjico de este lado de la frontera.
Evelyn
Frank
I think for myself and my opinions are my own. I don’t parrot any organizations views. If we happen to agree on certain things that doesn’t mean that I am parroting them. If there is any bigotry and racism it is on the part of those who are sympathizers of illegal aliens who are ethnically like themselves and insulting Americans who just want our immigration laws enforced. Let’s cut the BS and admit no one in here who is in favor of amnesty gives a rat’s behind about any other illegals than the Hispanic kind. It is alright to stick up for one’s own kind in most instances but not where there are laws being violated by them.
The reason that Hispanic illegals get the most attention is because they are the majority of illegals in this country. There is no other reason. It has nothing to do with any bigotry reserved especially for them. Those of us who are for the rule of law want ALL illegals gone not just those of the Hispanic persuasion. There is not one thing in my posts that could be determined as bigoted, racist or lies. Only those with their own racist agenda would see it that way.
Emanuel Stiff
I believe in you and i will try as best i can to help you camphane
Adam Gontarek
Hi.I want to move to USA.I don’t know when.I hope Barack Obama will be milder for imigration.Every human should live,work and travel where he wants.
Kelly
I thought this site was to talk about Obama, not personal ideologies…… what a battle going on on this last half of this thread!
marisol
barak obama i want to c that what u say of imigrants from mexico is true or u only sayng that so whe can vote 4 u . becouse it is not fair what’s hapening 2 imigrants this days. whith a bounch of respect marisol gutierrez
Doris
All those latinos who can read spanish and are in favor of Obama becoming the next president of the USA should read the following article which appeared on the internet two weeks ago:
http://www.sombra-del-yunque-en-usa.blogspot.com
The document could be taken as a warning to all of us to reject any attempts coming from outside the USA from powerful and wealthy people who do not want Obama to be the next president. These are powerful people who already ruined the mexican elections held two years ago, and it looks like now they want to do the same thing here in the USA.
Dr Richard Swart
Many critics have attacked Sen. Obama’s stand on immigration without knowing his position. Sen. Obama recently filled out a detailed questionnaire listing his positions on immigration and this is now available at http://www.cpvisa.com/OBAMA.QUESTIONNAIRE.pdf
I thought others might find this resource helpful to counter the misinformation about Sen. Obama
ab
ohala que gane obama porque va ayudar a los immigrantes y los immigrantes estan aqui para trabajar y ayudar a sus padres
Diana
my name is diana and i have a husband and 1 children. my husband is undocumented and he works double shift he is here for us two. i dont work but i go to school my husband is the one that brings the money home. with out him i woul’nt have a life here eventhough, i was born here it will be hard for me to live by my self because i go to school and i have to take care of my baby that he is only 1 month. so, obama i begg you to open the i-245 in order to my husband to be a resident in the u.s. i went to the notary and they told me becasue he enter before to the u.s he would have to go to ciudad juares and that they were going to tell him that he was going to have to wait 10 years to get his residency. we got upset because he wants to go visit his family this year. the notary told me that if the president opens the i-245 than he will have the chance to get the residency here in the u.s and not go to cuidad juarez and wait for 10 years. i dont want him to wait that long because i have my kid and his going to have to go to school and im going to need his help in bringing money home for the uniforms, supplies,clothes and food. i dont want my kid seperated from his father. please obama if you can do something for the immigrants is by opening the i-245 so they wont have to go to mexico and wait and be seperated from the mom/dad. please obama like you said you want to keep families together and not seperated please keep your word i know that you are going to do something for th immigrants and the best way to do it is by opening the i-245. thank you
sincerly, Diana
isaac kwesi mensah
pls l need u to support me for visa visitor to usa next year and see u there.
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