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One Psychic Braves the Immigration Debate and Finds Nothing New to Predict

LatinaLista — In Barbara Garcia’s predictions for 2008 that Latina Lista recently posted, we noticed that nothing was said of the most contentious issues facing the presidential candidates in this election — immigration reform and a border fence with Mexico.

So, we made a special request of the psychic to look at two specific issues and give us her insight as to what we can all expect to happen and when.
We asked Garcia to see when immigration reform would be passed and will the Department of Homeland Security continue with their plans to construct a border fence along the Texas-Mexico border?

Garcia was kind enough to give us her insights. Yet, in all honesty, Garcia’s predictions don’t give us any fresh insight. In fact, they seem to be behind the news a bit.
Which tells me, since psychics pick up on those topics that are uppermost in people’s minds, is this proof again that immigration isn’t as high on the electorate list of pressing issues as polls, anti-illegal immigration critics and some media debate moderators say or want it to be?
Since paraphrasing a psychic’s predictions is like using margarine rather than butter in a recipe (there’s a difference, however subtle, in the outcome), we reproduce her predictions below in their entirety.

I have looked into this immigration issue and I certainly understand why
your audience and your readers are so concerned. This is so sensitive that
the politicians are dancing around the edges of the issues rather than
coming up with a doable plan.
As to your direct questions, please assure your readers that the reform will
be passed, however, I am not sure about it passing 2008 because there is so
much controversy that it is quite possible that it remains on the books.
This may get carried over into 2009. (I am just not sure on the timing).
Unfortunately, I am also detecting headline news about a couple people being
deported. I feel that this is somehow intended to serve as an example.
Yes, Homeland Security will become more of a force along the Texas-Mexico border
but not necessarily a fencing plan but other devices.

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  • Horace
    January 6, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Your use of psychics for advice explains a lot.

  • Marisa Treviño
    January 6, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Never did I ever say that I seek psychics out for advice. But I do admit doing it for their insight.
    After all, no matter how much it appears farfetched, all opinions/insights are worthy to be heard and considered — which explains why I allow you to post your comments here 🙂

  • Horace
    January 6, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    I respect your tolerance towards those of us whose opions are so divergence from yours. I also respect you for the humanity that sometimes interferes with your better judgment.
    Psychics do not claim to give opions as much as they assert that they have far fetched claims to special insight into the future. One can either believe that psychics are deceitful, deluded or special. Since I am trained as a Chemical Engineer and a believer in the tradition of the scientific method, I find it impossible to believe the last option. Opinions are comprised of a mixture of historical understanding and analysis, factors not necessarily taken into consideration by psychics.

  • Horace
    January 6, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    “Your use of psychics for advice explains a lot.”
    People who believe in psychics are ruled by their heart, a characteristic that tends to make a good mother and wife.

  • laura
    January 6, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    I have a personal psychic divination: Only if advocates for immigrants become as vocal and organized as the minority of Americans who hate immigrants, will a comprehensive reform pass in 2008 – or 2009 – or 2010.
    We need to stand up for those who can not stand up for themselves, because they are the millions in our midst who have no rights.
    And we need an umbrella organization.

  • Maldonado
    January 7, 2008 at 9:20 am

    This psychic post trivializes the whole “debate.”
    The debate is about how badly our people will take it in the rear.
    This post makes me realize why I am here.
    We’re coming, wall or no wall and if Europeans dont like it then they can go back where the came from.

  • Frank
    January 7, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Maldano, so you are saying that you and “your” people don’t care about the laws of his country? How would you feel if a bunch of anglos flooded Mexico and took over that country and made the same statement…”we’re here and if you don’t like it” you can go to hell? How arrogant, unfeeling and immoral!
    I have a hot flash for you. Most American of the white variety didn’t come from another country, they were born here and their families have been here for generations. You disgust me!

    January 7, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Here it is again “advocates for immigrants”. The reason no such comprehensive reform will ever be met is the constant mixing of immigrants (legal) and illegal aliens (not legal). There is the statement that says it all “because they are the millions in our midst who have no rights”. Beginning with no right to be here illegally.
    Another confused puppy with the idea that a 8th or 10th generation American has ties to Europe. If you wish for me to return to where I came from, no problem, I’m already there. I violated no borders, I broke no law and if you cut me I bleed red, white and blue true American blood.

  • Horace
    January 7, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Let them come. We have only so much need for fruit and vegetable pickers and other low skilled labor. Eventually, there will be more drywallers, carpenters, etc., than we require and Hispanics will be fighting with these so-called undocumented for work, while seeing their wages decline. Hispanic citizens will then cry for congress to control our borders and enforce workplace laws. Let them come. It’s the humane thing to do. After all, there are millions of poor, illiterate in South Americas who will probably work for less than the current generation of Mexican illegal aliens. Let them come. We’ll just pack them into warehouses and single family homes without regard to quality of life for the illegal alien or the local citizens. Let them come, and see how loudly Hispanics demand a fence. After all, it’s the humane thing to do.

  • Evelyn
    January 7, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    A bunch of Anglos already did flood this country, Mexico, and the rest of the Americas……after using genocide to murder 95% of the brown population, they did say….”we’re here, and if you don’t like like it”, you can go to hell.
    !!!! ALL AMERICANS OF THE BROWN VARIETY DIDN’T come here and kill anyone or steal this land, they are indigenous to America and so are their families and ancestors!!!!!

  • Frank
    January 8, 2008 at 7:56 am

    laura, hardly anyone in this country hates “immigrants” what are you talking about? Illegal aliens have many voices and groups speaking for them, so it is just plain nonsense to say that have no one representing them. They have basic human rights and that is all they should be entitled to.
    Evelyn, yes many white people did migrate over here from Europe and that would include your white Spanish ancestors who murdered and brought smallpox to the natives. We anglo whites should feel ashamed of our ancestry but those of you from Spanish ancestry shouldn’t?
    We are a new nation now with borders. No one alive today is responsible for the past. We cannot live by the laws of the past but we must live by the laws of the present and respect the sovereignty of every nation’s borders today. You keep screaming at white people today for something they had no part in, why is that? Most of us were born here and our families have been here for generations and have never even set foot in Europe.
    We have the most generous legal immigration policy on this earth and yet you call us unfeeling for that?
    You are really being stupid. It doesn’t matter who was ANYWHERE first, the land belongs to the present owners EVERYWHERE.

  • Frank
    January 8, 2008 at 8:17 am

    Evelyn, let me ask you one simple question. Are there millions of white-Americans TODAY marching into Mexico illegally and saying “we’re here and if you don’t like it you can go to hell”?
    It is the Mexicans of TODAY that are doing so in the U.S.

  • Evelyn
    January 8, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Frank’s mad because I busted him with his FOOT in his MOUTH again!
    Many white people INVADED, (not migrated, no whitewashing allowed)these lands, Including the Spanish. Most of the people in Mexico and South America who had Spanish blood, did not choose to. It was forced on them.
    You were the one screaming Frank, I just reminded you not to throw stones when you live in a house made of glass.
    And yes you are responsible for the actions of your ancestors when you conspire to keep the land they invaded. You are also responsible for emulating their ways.
    The stupid one here is you Frank, because the people you want gone are still here! Liers like you are losers, as you will no longer be allowed to divide this country using lies. You have been EXPOSED as one of Tanton’s puppets! You should be ashamed of yourself!
    Even Jesus broke the law of his day, because it was immoral, and unjust. God is on our side, not on the side of those without morals, those who are unjust, and those who lie.
    Don’t hide behind “rule of law” to seek what is unjust and immoral.
    I dont keep track of who is marching in Mexico, but I do know that their are millions of Americans like me that are telling you and all the other racists this. THE IMMIGRANTS ARE HERE, AND THEY ARE GOING TO STAY, and if you don’t like it, I suggest you call Mayflower Moving Co. , I hear they also move people across the pond!

  • Frank
    January 9, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    I don’t need to hide behind the rule of law. It is what it is and there for good reason.
    You can cry and wail all you want about the past. It isn’t going to change anything. We are still a sovereign nation with immigration laws and borders and as a citizen of this country I abide by those laws. You don’t like it, tough! Talk to someone who gives a rat’s behind.

  • Horace
    January 9, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    I’ve never revealed that I have psychic powers, but I do. I was surfing the web and out of the blue I had an urge to go to this web site.
    Low and behold, I found this interesting article:
    Why Do Latinos Seem to Invite Profiling?
    Gabriel Garnica
    Everyone has heard the rhetoric regarding profiling. Liberals tell us that it is immoral, illegal, terrible, detestable and disgusting. Conservatives tell us that it is often necessary, practical, useful, rational and unavoidable. In the end, it seems to be a necessary thing that needs to be regulated and carefully scrutinized. After all, if a tall, blonde, slender, young and bearded man with a scar over his right eye robs a bank, only an imbecile would advocate that he should be referred to as “a man” in police descriptions so as to avoid generalizations or possible unfair treatment of tall, blonde, slender, young and bearded men with scars.
    Profiling, Practicality and Politics
    Liberals generally detest all forms of profiling except against conservatives and Christians, whom they gleefully profile, generalize and stereotype to their hearts’ content. Conservatives generally see profiling as a necessary and practical thing, although many will admit that it needs to be carefully monitored and regulated to avoid abuse.
    The common argument against profiling is that it fosters stereotypes, abuse, prejudice and unfair treatment and perception of various groups. The common argument in favor of it, of course, is that it is often the most practical and useful way to deal with any situation involving groups.
    As usual, liberals sometimes make the most mindless decisions out of their extreme fear of profiling, such as refusing to isolate and separate school troublemakers from good students because most of said troublemakers belong to some group. As usual, liberals often accuse conservatives of using profiling to abuse, isolate, and mistreat various groups in an intolerant environment.
    Rational and Expected Reactions
    The conservative idealist would argue that all groups should willingly embrace and appreciate profiling as a necessary, practical and useful tool to promote societal safety, order and the common good. The liberal idealist would contend that society should run without any isolation or seeming designation of groups on any level.
    It seems to me that one would expect most groups subject to profiling to see this practice in a negative and undesirable light. It makes perfect sense that most people would frown upon being lumped together or generalized in any way. One would fully expect that the majority of people would do everything they could to avoid being lumped with undesirables in their group.
    In this context the protests of Muslim Americans against being associated with terrorists are to be expected. What makes little sense to me, however, is the unwillingness of most Latino Americans to avoid being associated with illegal immigrants. After all, it appears that the majority of lawfully resident Latinos in this country mindlessly advocate for the rights and amnesty of illegal immigrants as if such rights were morally and rationally equivalent with their own. To the extent that lawful Latinos reject the perceptual isolation of illegal invaders and publicly embrace them as legal and moral equals, they are perpetuating the profiling of all Latinos as illegal, uneducated and lower class wetbacks. Furthermore, by defiantly and mindlessly standing shoulder to shoulder with illegal immigrants, otherwise lawful Latinos are inviting the very prejudices and stereotypes they are fighting against.
    Most will agree that truly ignorant, intolerant and biased people are often too lazy or apathetic to distinguish between numerous contours of a people they dislike. To the imbecilic eye of prejudice, a Latino is a Latino and the lawful, articulate, professional and hard-working Latino is merely someone just out of a car trunk with a suit. Only by demonstrating to such fools that we Latinos are not all running under a fence, hiding in the trunk of a car or members of street gangs can we ever hope to destroy the myth that all Latinos are illegal, uneducated and inarticulate freeloaders.
    Why is it that lawful Muslims are intelligent and rational enough to at least flee from being profiled while clueless, lawful Latinos mindlessly invite it? Given the often-quoted involvement of many illegal immigrants in serious crime, one would expect at least some Latinos to do all they can to show that most of us are not going around selling drugs, raping children or killing people on the highways while driving drunk.
    Yet, one often finds many lawful Latinos, including famous ones, protesting precisely these stereotypes while advocating for the rights of people who have already violated the law of the land.
    It seems to be the height of stupidity for any people who have worked so hard to gain so much the right way to even consider inviting the association with brethren who are seeking special treatment, unearned rights or free rides to the front of the line. Yet, here we have exactly this distorted sense of national or cultural loyalty practiced by many otherwise intelligent, rational and ambitious Latinos.
    Twisted Justice and Distorted Compassion
    It is possible for successful, educated and articulate Latinos to fight for a fairer, more efficient and more effective immigration policy. It makes perfect sense for such products of the American dream to willingly serve in the front lines helping others lawfully achieve that very same dream. Such attitudes and efforts are commendable and noble. Where such compassion and passion become twisted, distorted and irrational, however, is where the lawful embrace the unlawful in some mindless show of equality. Such actions merely doom both the lawful and unlawful to perpetual abuse, bias and intolerance.
    It is possible to show compassion for fellow human beings, but municipalities who serve as so-called sanctuaries protecting the unlawful – without regard to what serious threats some of these unlawful pose to lawful residents and citizens – are merely distorting and corrupting compassion into a violation of common sense, order, respect for law and national security.
    Common sense and societal morality cannot exist where there are contradictions, distortions and mindless corruptions of practicality, justice and compassion. One cannot advocate for morality while embracing the immoral, for law while embracing the unlawful, or for respect while embracing those who do not respect.
    The only way to pull one another from the mud is to stand firmly on the ground one has achieved and pull him out – not by jumping into the mud with the other and trying to push him out. If this is so, why are so many lawful Latinos so eager to jump into the mud with unlawful ones?
    The only way to eradicate myths and stereotypes is to demonstrate and represent precisely the opposite of such lies. If that is the case, why are so many successful, educated and articulate Latinos so eager to speak for those who often perpetuate such myths and stereotypes?
    Muslim Americans do not want people to believe that they are all terrorists, and they fight tooth and nail every day to avoid and destroy that myth through whatever means possible. Latino Americans, on the other hand, do not want people to believe that they are all disrespectful, arrogant, ignorant and insolent – yet many of them fight tooth and nail every day to defend precisely those who perpetuate that very myth. As a lawful Latino whose parents carved their way in this country by following the rules, I will never understand that tragic contradiction.
    Anyone who can explain to me how blurring the distinction between being lawful and unlawful helps Latinos destroy myths and stereotypes should email their explanation so I can make sense of this situation.
    And now, time for an Evelyn rant. Your turn darling.

  • Evelyn
    January 10, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Now Horace insists on putting HIS FOOT in HIS MOUTH TOO!
    Haven’t I always told you to check the source of an article, BEFORE you use it to prove a point? I’ve told you if it’s not credible, which is the problem in this case, it will come back to haunt you, or worse, make you look STUPID!!
    I didn’t read your article, because I always research the source to see if it’s worth my time.
    Family Security Matters doesnt want you to know they published this article advocating Bush become a dictator!
    A right wing foundation, with links to Dick Cheney, has called for Bush to be lifetime president.
    Think tank calls for Bush to be dictator for life.
    More negative views about FSM.
    After you get your foot out of your mouth, it’s your turn dear!

  • Evelyn
    January 10, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Oh, thank you for the advice Frank, but i’m afraid you’re a little late. You see, I have been talking to someone who gives a rat’s ass!
    I helped write letters to every person in congress, exposing FAIR for what they are and included every organization they spawned that supports the lies, you and all the other pup pits regurgitate and spew to demonize immigrants, especially Mexicans!
    It seems I wasn’t the only one doing this because heads have rolled at FAIR as a result.
    FAIR fired Joseph Turner, who was the Western region representative, and had just been hired 13 months earlier.
    Turner was the founder of Save Our State (SOS), which developed a reputation for allowing Neo- Nazis to participate in it’s rallies. (like the minuteKLAN do)
    The minuteKLAN are all fighting and crumbling, they don’t trust one another. And now FAIR is loosing favor because they have been exposed.
    If you’ve been wondering why I haven’t been posting, or even if you haven’t I’m going to tell you anyway.
    I spent 2 days in Iowa, and than 3 days in New Hampshire campaigning for Barrack Obama, 1st choice.
    Precisely because he has no experience on how to run this country the same way it has been run and others think it should be run by doing the same thing over and over every 4 yrs. is why he appeals to me.
    He has ideas that don’t follow the status quo. Fresh ideas are better than following the ideas in place that are not working! 2nd choice Hillery Clinton, Bill will tax the heck out of the rich and lower the deficit. Maby we will get a health-care plan for everyone.
    What have you been doing Frank? Have you put your money where your mouth is, by taking one of those lettuce cutting jobs you accuse the Mexicans of taking from you, or do you just sit behind the screen spouting off at the mouth, by regurgitating the same lies by being a good puppet for FAIR like you always do? LoL!

  • Frank
    January 10, 2008 at 8:23 am

    Evelyn, well your first lie is that we deomonize “immigrants”. We love immigrants but despise illegal aliens. But you go ahead and be pro-active all you want. You assume a lot that I am not just as pro-active as you are for the other side and you would be wrong.
    I am not a member of FAIR or any other organization. More dumb and unfounded assumptions by you. I have often said in here that we may need more legal foreign agricultural workers, so what is your rant about lettuce pickers about? Ag workers and illegal aliens in that industry make up very little of our workforce. We don’t however need illegal aliens taking jobs such as in the construction industry. Jobs Americans will do for a fair wage.
    I doubt that Obama or Hillary will go along with your reconquista agenda. Perhaps you should send some of your rants about the White European invading and stealing this country and how White Americans should go back to Europe and that it is alright for illegal aliens to say, “we are here and if you don’t like it, you can go to hell”. I am sure they will be VERY interested in distancing themselves from the likes of you and yours in their presidential bid.

    January 10, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Bravo, Horace. This pretty well sums it up and will hopefully make certain people in this blog take a second look at where they stand on these issues. But, I doubt it.

  • Frank
    January 10, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Horace, great post!
    Evelyn, I am sure Hillary (a white woman) would be particulary interested in your rants and hatred towards the white citizens alive today and how they should all go back to Europe, lol.

  • Frank
    January 10, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Evelyn, why aren’t the descendants of the Apaches, Comanches, etc. marching on the White House right now demanding “their” land back?

  • Frank
    January 10, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Oh, and why aren’t the descendants of the Apaches, Comanches, etc. also marching on the White House demanding the expulsion of all white Americans from this country and their deportation back to Europe?

  • devils' advocate
    January 10, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    I “see” the same idiots-will never go away!
    Frank, Horace and all the fair-skinned soon to be shoveling coal in the deep pits of their Daddy’s tummy.

  • Frank
    January 10, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    devil, our postition on the issue of illegal immigration has nothing to do with our skin color or any one elses skin color. We have citizens in this country of all races, ethnicities and skin colors. What is idiotic about wanting our immigration laws enforced?

    January 10, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    We’ve got a live one here. So, heads up Frank, Horace and all the fair skinned, this guy likes to speak in nursery rhymes and believes he’s an advocate of some sort. He had nothing to add of any substance, only follows Evelyns practice of name calling and crude content.

  • Evelyn
    January 10, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Have you ever asked a true American Indian his views on the Immigration issue Frank? When you and your 2 sidekicks are finished spewing your dose of gibberish after your forced to face the truth, READ IT!!

  • Frank
    January 10, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Eyes, that is all they have is the race card. Evelyn’s must need laminating again she uses it so much.
    Not one of them can explain what is racist about wanting our immigration laws enforced. They don’t seem to have any problem with Mexico enforcing their laws. Hypocricies, lies and the race card is the order of the day for them.

  • Frank
    January 10, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I am not interested in hearing any native indian’s views on OUR immigration laws TODAY. There are very few full blooded native indians left in this country anyway. If they have a problem with our laws, then they should take it up with our government. I have no control over our government.

  • Evelyn
    January 11, 2008 at 3:23 am

    More incoherent rantings by Frank!
    Getting desperate are you FRANK?
    More Lies From Frank
    Frank posted, “Evelyn why aren’t the descendants of the Apaches, Comanches, etc. marching on the white house right now demanding their land back? Oh and why aren’t the descendants of the Apaches, and Comanches, etc. also marching on the white house demanding the expulsion of all white Americans from this country, and their deportation back to Europe?”
    I said, “Have you ever asked a true American Indian his views on the Immigration issue Frank?” and included a link to answer his questions.
    And then Frank at a loss for anything better to say states,
    Well I guess you didn’t like the answer Frank, what did you think that we were going to be on your RACISTS BIGOTED SIDE!!!! Ill bet your still spittin mad because those ungrateful Indians don’t think like you!
    CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! MAN O MAN WHAT A DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Frank
    January 11, 2008 at 8:59 am

    It is the Mestizo (Mexican-Indians who are trying to lay claim on land that now belongs to the U.S. government, not American- Indians. And as I said any tribe residing in this country now can take it up with our government if they feel they have a disputed land case.
    I notice you take all your frustrations out on law abiding citizens rather than with our government who has the control in this country. Looking for a whipping post, are you?

  • Horace
    January 11, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Yes, Evelyn, Family Matters is well-known for its articles objecting to illegal immigration, but I’ve never known it to have any racist postings.
    It’s become apparent to the rest of us that you have far more hate in your heart than anyone else who posts in thia blog. I pity you.
    And now for a rebuttle rant by Evelyn………

  • Evelyn
    January 12, 2008 at 4:00 am

    I wonder how many people would agree with Frank, and Imply that the following statements came from Mestizo Mexican Indians.
    Children in 6th grade know better!
    I feel that as Native Peoples to the Americas, we have a right to be anywhere on this continent as we have for generations. To hear people telling my relatives that they are illegal aliens and criminals and to get out of our own land is very disturbing”!
    Maria Yellow Horse Brave Heart, PhD President/Director,
    The Takini Network
    The Reclamation of an Indigenous Continent
    ….we have the right to be anywhere on this continent…..
    Along the U.S.-Mexico border, the body count continues to pile updaily. Meanwhile, the Minutemen patrol the U.S.-Mexico border and shameless politicians find it easy to denounce illegal immigration as the cause of all the nation’s problems – including linking it with “the war on terror.” Amidst all the clatter, the only views not being heard are the ones that matter most. Thus here we bring you a truly historic column, featuring the views of those that have come before us to these lands: American Indians:
    “The immigration issues are many and are so very complex; however, we cannot have a productive dialogue about anything when we begin the conversation, thinking it is ‘us against them’ or when the truth is only half true or we only use rhetoric to back our claims. We cannot resolve any of these complex issues if we label our neighbor as an immigrant and not as a relative, friend or human being.”
    Nadine Tafoya
    Mescalero Apache -Salt River Pima -Maricopa
    “Indigenous peoples haven’t known any borders. Colonial borders are new, It’s ironic that essentially white men of privilege who created the category of white – that it is they who determine who gets permitted into our lands.”
    Winona La Duke, founding director, White Earth Land Recovery Project
    “From the point of view of the laws of the indigenous nations of North America, the Europeans are the original illegal immigrants in the area of North America. The United States…Has, for, more than 200 years methodically and militarily violated indigenous law, and even solemn treaties, in order to take over and occupy the vast majority of the lands of the Indigenous Nations and peoples….. it is hypocritical in the extreme for the people of the United States to now pretend that it is a country that has always conducted itself on the bases of the rule of law.”
    Indian Law Scholar,
    Steven Newcomb
    “The movement to try to force the Mexican people to learn the English language and the culture and traditions of America to stay in this country may not be all that successful. I can tell you from firsthand experience that when the federal gov. tried to strip me of my language and traditions, it only did a partial job, because of my resistance to being subdued. Today I am glad I have retained my culture, traditions, and the Keres language, for that is where my heart and soul belong.”
    Katherine Augustine,Laguna Pueblo, retired nurse
    “Too bad WE didn’t think of insisting that the Europeans speak OUR language. We’d all be speaking Ojibwemowin right now.”
    Patty Loew, Assoc.Prof., UW-Madison
    “In an important and emphatic way, the indigenous peoples of the Americas are reclaiming their Continent, wheather with the ballot, by boat, by air, or on foot. Let us call it repatriation on the march.”
    Shirley Hill Witt, Coauther, El Indio Jesus
    “The white supremacists masquerading as patriots are building a fence at the southern border to keep out the brown people. Notice that they aren’t building a fence at the northern border…. Recall too that the 9-11 terrorists were here legally, complete with freakin’ flyernumbers. I’m for all the Native peoples to have cross border privileges up and down our hemisphere, and would close the border against all the peoples from other places who look down on us.”
    Susan Shown Harjo, Cheyanne & Hodulgee Muscogee- Director, Morning Star Institute
    “I suspect at least half of those people coming across that southern border are indigenous peoples who have been directly or indirectly affected by anti-indigenous rights policies and U.S. led neo-liberal free trade regimes often resulting in the privatization of land. I am concerned the U.S.-Mexico border is becoming a war zone giving rise to old world colonial attitudes spawning white led vigilante militias with U.S. military support. Indigenous peoples of the U.S. and our terrible gov. must demand border justice and not be used by the homeland security department and the U.S. to undermine the civil liberties of our Indigenous peoples and mestizo brother and sisters of Latin America countries.”
    Tom Goldtooth, Executive Director, Indigenous Environmental Network
    “The argument made by minute men, that their mission is to keep terrorists out of the U.S. cannot be ignored: With terrorists training camps found just north of the U.S. Canadian border, their mission makes little sense and gives weight to my belief that the minute men movement is clearly racists. So is the new U.S. policy to keep our southern relatives out by militarizing the border to the south . Not that troops are wanted on the Northern border either, but why send 6,000 troops to the southern border when no terrorists ever have been detained there?”
    JoKay Dowell, Quapaw-Peoria-Cherokee, OK Eagle and Condor Indigenous Peoples Alliance
    “Indigenous peoples are brothers and sisters, regardless of which side of the line drawn in the desert sand they are from. Our historic relations pre-date any European conquest. Our ‘free trade’ was much less conflictual, and was on more of an equal bases. Corporate ‘free trade’ is the driving force behind American politics and international actions… It continues to be , contradictory to the interests of humanity.”
    woliwon chi miigwech, Karen S., Ypsilanti
    “If America is a shining beacon of hope for legal immigrants perhaps the laws should be adjusted to make it a reality for the illegal immigrants. They also see America as a place where dreams can be lived. Ironically most of the illegal immigrants are Indians or Indios as they are known in Mexico, and in Central and South America. Most of their ancestors did not come over on the Mayflower or on Spanish Gallions. They are indigenous to the Western Hemisphere.”
    Tim Giago, president, Native American Journalists Foundation
    ‘Americans can say surly not with pride, that this country knows from centuries of personal experience how unchecked immigration devastates life and why it’s an issue that deserves the best of our thinking and empathy. These are thoughts that cross some of our minds when we hear rhetoric about the so-called invasion of illegal immigrants (many of whom are –gasp– Indians) and calls to protect ‘OUR’ land. If we smile in response , it’s not so much out of agreement. We see payback coming home to roost.”
    David House – mixed Cherokee/ Scots-Irish, Fort Worth Star Telegram
    “It’s never been clear to me why animosity exists toward today’s immigrants, considering the founding fathers arrived as immigrants. Are today’s anti-immigrant voices afraid of a new Manifest Destiny?
    Many Native prophecies foretold the demise of U.S. indigenous people from European invaders. But the stories also speak of a time when the land will be reclaimed by indigenous people. Perhaps the time has come.
    Jodi Nava reports on Native issues

  • Evelyn
    January 12, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Family Matters is also very famous for posting stupid, crazy, off the wall stuff too!
    Imagine that, GEORGE BUSH AS PRESIDENT FOR LIFE! Do you also agree with that Horace?

  • Frank
    January 12, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    No one in keeping with the laws and borders of today, and I don’t care who you are, has a right to go anywhere or live anywhere they want to on this continent or any country within this continent. That is just the plain old facts!

  • Evelyn
    January 13, 2008 at 2:54 am

    I printed it so you could see what a fool you are. You wouldn’t know the facts even if they hit you in the face!
    If those are the facts, how do you explain the 12 million immigrants living and working here that you refer to as “Illegal aliens”?
    Those are the facts Frank!!
    Wouldent you explane them by saying our immigration laws are broken and are in need of being fixed?
    Something that your against!! LOL!

  • Frank
    January 13, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    No, our immigration laws aren’t broken, they just haven’t been enforced. And just because the illegals are here doesn’t nullify my statement that “no one has the RIGHT to live anywhere they want to on this continent nor in this country.” They are living here without the RIGHT.

  • Evelyn
    January 14, 2008 at 4:07 am

    NO…… you mean to tell me the government is to blame that they are here! Than demonize the government, like I do and leave the Immigrants alone!

    January 14, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Been through this before, so one more time won’t hurt. It’s a three fold blanket of blame starting with non enforcement of immigration laws after the 1986 amnesty, then the empolyers that hire illegal aliens for cheap labor to make maximum profits and last, but not least, the people that did not respect our borders or our laws and crossed into the U.S. illegally.
    It all boils down to enforcing all existing immigration laws and beginning the practice of “enforcement through attrition”. No jobs, no more illegal aliens.

  • Frank
    January 14, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    EOT, I have often said the same thing over and over in this blog. The blame is three-fold.

  • Evelyn
    January 14, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    I agree, the blame is 3-fold
    1. The people who hire them.
    2. The gov. for looking the other way, and collecting taxes from them but, not providing them with equal rights.
    3. The BIGOTS who are busy making fools of themselves, by lapping up the services and products the undocumented immigrants bring to them at affordable prices, while spreading lies to demonize them.
    Instead these BIGOTS should live up to what they like to call themselves, PATRIOTS. True patriots would be writing letters to congress and the president asking why immigrants are being taxed without having full representation like the constitution calls for!
    But no instead they embarras every American with their flagrant display of ignorance and stupidity, by wrapping themselves in clothing made of cloth depicting the American flag (which is a violation of the rules governing the use of the flag) and harassing Mexicans even if they are citizens, and sitting at the Mexican border armed to the teeth, unlawfully shooting Mexicans while the gov. also looks the other way! BOY, ONLY IN AMERICA!

    January 15, 2008 at 8:24 am

    Some people still can not distinguish “immigrants” from “illegal aliens”. Legal immigrants have all rights as an American citizens with a few exceptions, whereas “illegal aliens” have very limited rights, mostly civil, due to the fact they are in this country against our immigration laws. Until you can separate the two in your closed mind, there is no point in your defense of either.
    Legal immigrants are welcome, illegal aliens are not, no matter what or why they came here in the first place. If they, illegal aliens, would accept responsibility for the law, return home and apply for legal entry into the U.S., this entire issue would be resolved.

  • Evelyn
    January 15, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! boy talk about dumb! ha! ha! ha!ha!

    January 16, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Par for the coarse, more blah, blah, blah with complete lack of substance or anything resembling a thought process greater than a hamster. Crawl back under the baseboard and let reasonable and responsible people discuss the issue at hand. You contribute nothing except insults and narrow mindedness.

  • Evelyn
    January 16, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Right back at YOU, Eyes!

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