LatinaLista — An appalling story out of St. Anthony, Idaho speeded across the Internet this morning. According to Idaho Falls CBS affiliate, KIDK, a 10-year-old girl gave birth to a 6 lb. baby girl as a result of being raped.
The news story on the KIDK site read in part:
That person is this man, 37-year old Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez. Juarez is actually an illegal immigrant, and is now behind bars in the Fremont County Jail on other rape charges.
Since we broke this story exclusively yesterday, we’ve been checking with sources throughout the North Valley for more information.
The criminal complaint against Gutierrez-Juarez says the rape of the 10-year old happened between November and January. As we told you last night the girl gave birth at Madison Memorial this weekend and both mother and child are doing well.
If convicted the illegal immigrant could face life in prison, a $50,000 fine ,or both. Whether he ever serves anytime behind bars will be up to the judge who if he places him on probation, could deport him.
From the way this story reads, “If convicted the illegal immigrant could face life in prison,” dehumanizes not just the intended target, the rapist, but ALL undocumented immigrants. Also, it makes it sound that this was a stranger-on-stranger crime.
It wasn’t.
The rapist was married to the girl’s mother. Latina Lista has yet to verify if the rapist was the child’s father.
At any rate, it should go without saying that not all undocumented immigrants are rapists but this article definitely plants the connection between the two terms.
A rapist is a rapist regardless if he’s an undocumented immigrant, a church pastor, a police officer, a teacher, etc. In fact, in most articles, the rapist is identified by his/her name and not by an identifier of their legal or immigration status.
By repeatedly referring to this rapist as the “illegal immigrant,” this media story does a disservice to the local community and popular perception of all undocumented immigrant men who are Latino.
To their credit, in subsequent reports, KIDK refrained from identifying Gutierrez-Juarez only as an “illegal immigrant” and used his last name when referring to him. Unfortunately, not all news outlets are doing this.
Yet, the story here is not just that this sick individual committed this horrendous crime but that nobody found out about it nor did anything until this child gave birth.
However, we’re discovering that there is much more to the story.
According to various news reports, the girl’s pregnancy was not reported until the end of April when she went to the hospital to be seen. Ultimately, she delivered the baby by Cesarean.
However, a credible source told Latina Lista that it wasn’t her mother who took her to the hospital but someone from her school — hospital officials called the police. That nugget of information opens the door to a host of questions.
If the girl was still attending school, surely someone should have seen that she was pregnant. That she was still living in the same home with the guy, means that the mother is either complicit in the rape and should be arrested as well for endangering her daughter or a victim of abuse herself.
Police report that they don’t have any prior complaints on the 37-year-old rapist which means that he and the girl and the mother, and any other possible children in the family, went about their business as usual for all the world to see.
So why didn’t anyone see anything or say anything?
An interesting theory offered by our source says that for one thing, the privacy and confidentiality rules regarding schools and hospitals are strictly enforced. Our source tells us that the public schools in the area, in over 10 years, have not shared any news with local media.
Another theory is that the community where the girl lives is “close knit.” Evidently, there is a high Mormon population in the state and according to the source, some communities just take care of one another.
Does that mean they condone underage sex, a la the polygamist sect that was recently raided in Central Texas?
No one knows for sure the details until a hearing next week when some things should be made public.
But one thing is certain — the rape of a child by anyone should not be condoned nor kept silent due to confidentiality laws or religious practices.
The emotional and physical well-being of children should be the priority of every community.
And when someone is proved to be a rapist, they should be identified as such but the implication, intentional or not, should not be made that others of their group are the same as that one sick person.
Comment(38)
Daniel
Undocumented or not the guy should get whacked.
That age difference is just UNACCEPTABLE.
And the age of the girl is UNACCEPTABLE.
Whack’em.
If he had young girl fever he shouldve bought a magazine and j@cked0ff!
I agree his legal status/race/ethnicity has no bearing.
But it’s done by the media. Perhaps to add sensationalism.
Grandma
“From the way this story reads, “If convicted the illegal immigrant could face life in prison,” dehumanizes not just the intended target, the rapist, but ALL undocumented immigrants. Also, it makes it sound that this was a stranger-on-stranger crime.”
What difference does it make whether it was a stranger or a step father. It is what it is. An illegal alien raped a 10 year old girl. He deserves to be sent to prison for life if not worse.
bfp
maybe nobody came forward because they were all scared of being deported? (and I’m thinking about the “close knit community” here, rather than the school officials–the school officials should have said something–in my state they are required to report suspected abuse–don’t know if they have the same rules out there).
Frank
Actually, if he hadn’t been in this country illegally the crime would never have happened. We can’t do anything about our own home grown criminals being here but we don’t need to increase our crime by adding illegal aliens to the mix.
Marisa Treviño
Grandma, I agree with you. Yet, by only identifying him as the “illegal immigrant” it plants the impression that this is to be expected from all undocumented immigrants — and that’s not the case. But this is a fundamental way to plant fear of people who are basically unknown and “different” from mainstream society.
Maegan la Mala
There are a few issues I would like to raise. What happened to this girl, a girl who is the same age as my daughter, is horrible, disgusting, and disturbing.
And yes, you are correct that labeling the rapist as a illegal, serves no purpose beyond engaging in racial profiling and fear mongering.
That said, it is problematic to point the finger at the mother, without bringing up the very likely possibility that the mother herself is undocumented and likely may be a victim of abuse/rape as well. Perhaps the mother was scared of being deported/detained and being separated from her daughter. for example.
The story goes beyond the rapist and his status. What of the girl’s status? Will she be further victimized by being targeted herself now by the department of homeland security? Is she getting proper healthcare, mental health care etc.
We need to expand our thinking when reporting on such stories
Liquidmicro
At the same rime it appears to be a recurring theme among the men of that culture.
http://www.douglasdispatch.com/articles/2008/05/08/news/doc48236291b6c62566186773.txt
“She said that in December 2007 she had been on school break and had been sexually abused by her father. The assault occurred at her father’s house in Agua Prieta, Sonora. Douglas police immediately contacted CPS.”
Mike
Thanks for reporting this news. I’m really getting sick and tired of these illiterate peasants stinking up my country. My country doesn’t need filthy taco-eating pedophiles and rapists like Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez. All illegal aliens should be all deported back to Mexico immediately. Keep up the good work.
laura
It is a sad fact that child rape/sexual abuse is most commonly committed by male family members. The vast majority of these crimes is of course committed by American citizens in the US, simply because American citizens are the majority population. Data show that these crimes occur with equal incidence in all American socioeconomic groups. There are no data that these crimes are more or less common among immigrants, undocumented or not.
Linking this heinous crime to the perpetrator’s immigration status in a news story is absurd. It is Nazi-type propaganda against immigrants.
Dee
Rape is rape. It is a deplorable crime, especially against a child. The rapist should be tried and serve the severest and fullest penality when found guilty.
This is how the article should have been reported. You dimish the crime and the individuals when you try to sway the crime to ethnicity, religious or immigration status. Additionally, regardless of these statuses, it is the guilty party that is guilty, NOT all those in the same status. It is absolutely ridiculous when the media tries to gain “breaking news” theatrics purely by adding the immigration status to the story. They are purposely indicting an entire group on the guilt of ONE heinous criminal. It would be as if we indict all white males over 40 based on the BTK or Gacy.
Adela
This is terrible! Hearing the story on the evening news, I immediately picked out the media’s attempt to highlight this man’s immigrant status. I don’t see this story having anything to do with the immigration issue. Acts of molestation and incest are problems that our societies need to continue to address. This incident is not isolated to this family or even to their ethnic background. This type of situation was taking place in Texas with the Latter Day Saints sect that had over 300 children removed from their compound. The children were removed because the authorities were tipped off about the possibility of sexual and physical abuse. Unfortunately, in cases were abuse is taking place in the home, no one protects the child. The mother of this 10 year old child was certainly ignoring the problems for either selfish reasons or for fear of undetermined consequences. There is no way that a parent will not become aware that there are problems with their child. The whole family had problems. I hope that child is given the opportunity to continue with her life and heal. She will not understand this for many years to come, may the higher source provide her with strength. I also hope the newborn child is given to a compassionate and caring couple that can love and nurture the child. The girl’s mother should be sent to therapy. The man should be place in jail and made to repay his debt for the rest of his years. Sexual abuse hides in the dark chamber of our homes. It exists in the holiest of places and in the minds of individuals who have lost respect for themselves and ignore the sacredness of childhood.
Horace
“Grandma, I agree with you. Yet, by only identifying him as the “illegal immigrant” it plants the impression that this is to be expected from all undocumented immigrants — and that’s not the case. But this is a fundamental way to plant fear of people who are basically unknown and “different” from mainstream society.”
Frank is right, this man is an example of those illegal immigrants who comprise the criminal element who cross our unguarded borders every day. If we had control of every person crossing our borders, many of those with prior records of crime in Latin America would not be permitted entry. Those who deride our so-called militarization of the border and a fence conveniently and heartlessly forget the collateral damage of free transit of our sovereign border by such people. It’s more important to them that millions of those without criminal tendencies cross than it is to prevent harm to citizens. They love to cite that “immigrants”, (they include illegals in this mass of humanity) commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens, all-the-while forgetting that the legal variety are vetted for criminal records, and the bad applicants are denied immigrant status, so it’s alright to let illicit border crosser rapists, murderers, drug dealers and MS-13 gang members through. After all, it’s for the greater good of Latin American foreigners and citizen alike. To me and other reasonable Americans, this is enough justification to build a fence.
Grandma
I disagree with you Marisa. That fact that he’s an illegal alien is a very important part of the story. It means he should not have been in the country in the first place. I also disagree with your statement “But this is a fundamental way to plant fear of people who are basically unknown and “different” from mainstream society.” They are more than basically unknown and different, they’re here ILLEGALLY!
Publius
“Yet, by only identifying him as the “illegal immigrant” it plants the impression that this is to be expected from all undocumented immigrants — and that’s not the case.”
Gee, I can’t imagine why, when there are known to be criminals among illegal aliens, and that these people actually commit crimes in the U.S., that illegal aliens would be a suspect class. Of course citizens should be understanding, unsuspecting and give all of them the benefit of the doubt. This type of thinking smacks of irrational expectations. Take off your rose colored glasses, get real, set your Latina bias aside and start thinking objectively. Only then will you understand how the rest of us feel.
Marisa Treviño
MIke, I have to admit that I almost deleted your post but decided to publish it because it proves so many points I was making. And for the record, each of these immigrants who comes over and does much-needed labor is hardly illiterate. As far as “taco-eating pedophiles,” I’m just as sick of holy collar-wearing pedophiles, teacher pedophiles, and the list goes on.
Marisa Treviño
Maegan, you’re so right in your points. Yet, when I reported this story I couldn’t get verification of the ethnicity of the mother or daughter and so beyond proposing that the mother was an abuse victim herself, I could only speculate. There are definitely a lot of unknowns in this story.
Frank
Yet, no one objects when a criminal is identified as a Black or a White person and identified as a citizen of this country. The only objection seems to be is when a criminal is identified as a Hispanic and especially if they are in this country illegally. They are what they are. Let’s identify them all accurately. If anyone is stupid enough to think that it means that everyone from one ethnic group is a criminal or is a citizen or a non-citizen, then they lack no common sense or logic anyway.
laura
The media like CNN, Idaho Falls CBS affiliate, KIDK, FOX News, etc. are the anti-Latino propagandists, just like Josef Goebbels and Julius Streicher were the Nazi propagandists.
People like “Mike” then write, “I’m really getting sick and tired of these illiterate peasants stinking up my country. My country doesn’t need filthy taco-eating pedophiles and rapists like Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez. All illegal aliens should be all deported back to Mexico immediately.” “Mike” and his ilk are the followers, just like the Nazis had millions of little followers.
The result for Germany was disaster. Disaster will be the result for the US if this stuff continues. The cowardly impulse to target verbal and physical violence at those who can’t defend themselves seems widespread here.
We will see if that cowardliness continues to grow here in the US. If so, people will not be able to address the actual causes for the sinking of this country into a pile of debt, unemployment, foreclosed homes, drug use, mental illness, obesity and the diseases that come with it, ignorant children, and violence.
Frank
Oh for God’s sake laura, opposition to illegal immigration and wanting our immigration laws enforced which includes deportation of those who don’t follow them doesn’t equate in any way to Nazism. You and you ilk would make your case better if you would stop debating dishonestly and knock off the lies and melodramatics.
Those who can’t defend themselves? LOL! Illegals have all kinds of advocacy groups representing them. There is no need to defend them anyway. They broke our immigration laws and they need to go home as our laws demand they do.
Horace
“…..ignorant children, and violence.”
It would seem that Laura doesn’t mind the ignorance and violence imported from Mexico in the form of its illiterate citizens and numerous criminal gang members who cross our borders every day. As long as these people are Hispanic, they’re entitled to violate our laws and become future welfare clients.
Texano78704
“As long as these people are Hispanic, they’re entitled to violate our laws and become future welfare clients.”
Maybe this is the cowardice of which Laura was thinking.
In any event, I think most people (here in the US) forget the violence that the US brings to other countries.
Horace
“Maybe this is the cowardice of which Laura was thinking.”
You supporters of illegal alien Hispanics are the ones advocating the special privilege of migrating to the U.S. without requesting permission, and without a good economic economic ratrionale or its ultimate effects on our own citizen’s economics. You people are the ones rationalizing the unfair practice of granting legal residency and citizenship to Mexicans, et al, that would never be granted to millions of other poor and illiterate of other citizens of the world who would become burden to the American taxpayers if permitted to do so.
Who really believes that those illegal immigrants that may eventually granted citizenship and thus be eligible for welfare won’t eventually resort to accepting that benefit. It’s already happened for those who came here as the result of the amnesty of 1986.
You people are the ones rationalizing that just because illegal aliens have made it across our borders they should be permitted to stay. With that kind of thinking, it just becomse as matter of who can make it to our shores as to who is allowed to remain.
You people are the true bigots because you are saying that your ethnic group should be given immigration priority above all racial or ethnic groups. You fit the definition exactly as written in Webster’s: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. You are obstinately prejudiced towards Hispanics by your own words and actions because of your personal feelings about your ethnic group.
I’ll laugh when low income Hispanic Americans eventually find themselves fighting amnestied illegal aliens for jobs when the labor pool eventually becomes supersaturated. I’ll laugh when they march in the streets AGAINST illegal immigration. The joke will utlimately be on you and your friends.
Evelyn
1. Republican pedophiles 563 up, 105 down
Evil members of the Republican Party and supporters thereof who have abused children despite their high-and-mighty crusades for the return to moral values. The following is a partial list; due to the neocon obsession with NAMBLA, names with asterisks next to them are suitable for membership in that organization through their repulsive actions.
And feel free to research these people independently.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
by Shreve Lamb and Harmon New York City Jul 24, 2005
Frank
Many Americans don’t advocate any violence on our country’s part towards other countries. So since our government doesn’t give us any say so on these matters, does that mean that American citizens should roll over and accept the illegal invasion of their country?
Allessandra
Evelyn, I’m not sure I understand your point. Surely you are not suggesting that only people who identify as Republicans are guilty of sex crimes? Because anyone could go online, research news stories, and come up with a list of people affiliated with the Democratic Party who are guilty of the same.
Just off the top of my head I recall a case not too far from where I live where the head of an ACLU chapter was arrested for being in possession of child pornography depicting the violent rape of children. Highly doubtful that he was a Republican.
I understand the point about hypocrisy. Someone who exhibits a pattern of immoral lifestyle, yet rails against that same behavior would most definitely fall in that category. But there are hypocrites in all walks of life, all political parties, all races, ethnicities, and religions.
Just because an individual advocates for moral standards does not mean that they themselves will not sometimes fall short of that ideal. Of course, if one has no standards whatsoever, they will most likely never run the risk of being called a hypocrite. But, I don’t think that is the solution. If only perfect people tried to advocate for moral standards in our society, there would be nobody to take on that role as nobody is without sin.
As well, I don’t quite understand what a person’s political affiliation has to do with the issue of those in the country illegally committing heinous crimes. Obviously, if our government was doing their job and enforcing immigration laws, these people wouldn’t be here to commit these crimes. And from what I have read, they often prey on the immigrant community. And keep in mind that there are illegals here from many different countries–Asian, Eastern European, etc. The Russians are active in the sex trafficking and other crimes. Sure, we’d still have our own dirtbags, but we have enough of our own to deal with without having to concern ourselves with foreign nationals in the country illegally IMO. That just seems to be common sense to me.
Frank
Of course, we all know that the Republican Party is the party of pedophiles! Yeah–that really makes sense, doesn’t it? No bigotry or stereotyping here.
Those remarks are probably from a left-wing hate blog like Huffington Post or the Kos Kids. Now, shall we also go online and find a list of Democrats who have been implicated in sex scandals? Is one really suggesting that only Republicans commit sex crimes?? One makes a total fool out of oneself if they think so.
The Marxist far left strikes again. These people are haters. The reason these people hate Republicans so much is because in their twisted mind, the Republican Party is the party of those evil “white people.” I will all but guarantee you if the majority of the Republican Party were non-white, the feelings towards it would not be as intense. It is blatant hypocrisy because they rail against “demonizing and stereotyping” illegals, but they do the same thing towards entire groups of people they do not like. They are even worse because they actively hate people for no other reason than they disagree with their political views. Unbelievable!
If these people gained real power in this country it would be a nightmare as they would shut down any and all speech with which they disagreed. They are the fascist left. They are physically attacking conservative speakers on college campuses and intimidating anyone who would try to listen to them or allow them to speak. They are nothing but Marxists–they are NOT true liberals in the classic sense. The more immigrants with the third world mentality we allow in here, the more likely it is these people will come to power.
Evelyn
But there are hypocrites in all walks of life, all political parties, all races, ethnicities, and religions
But there are rapest and pedophiles in all walks of life, all political parties, all races, ethnicities, and religions.
Only the racest choose to focus on the ones who are Hispanic immigrants.
EYES OF TEXAS
No one here, racist or not, is focusing on Hispanic immigrants. They are welcomed to America as long as they have followed proper procedures to gain entry. If not, they are here illegally and that is where the focus is directed. America has its hands full with home-grown criminals, but the crimes committed by those illegally in America would be the most preventable by not allowing that individual to be here in the first place.
Frank
The same can be said of those who focus on White Republicans.
Horace
“Only the racest choose to focus on the ones who are Hispanic immigrants.”
Of course it doesn’t really matter that the people we’re talking about came uninvited, evaded our Border Patrol, and continue to enter by the tens of thousands without a background check. After all, their all babes in the wood innocents who wouldn’t think of running away from Mexican law enforcement or packing drugs or deal in human trafficking. It’s all just so much hysteria and racism.
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Evelyn
Hit a nerve with the RepubKLAN’s did I ???
Frank
Nope, just giving you a reality check.
Frank
Let’s not forget the dirty deeds of the Demokkkrats either, shall we?
Horace
You’re as boorish as ever. Is this how you spell HispaniKKK, Evelyn?
Evelyn
Horace still directly calling people names for lack of anything of substance to debate with. How pathetic.
Horace
“Horace still directly calling people names for lack of anything of substance to debate with. How pathetic.”
The poster child for personal attack actually deigns to assert that others are in competition with her. Is there anyone out there who has voiced oppositon to Evelyn’s positions that hasn’t been abused by this pathetic person? ROTFL!
Frank
Unbelievable, isn’t it Horace? The Queen of insults has the nerve to critize someone else for doing it. Whenever I do it,(and I try not to) is to retaliate back from somone eleses INITIAL attack of me. It is called defending oneself.
gloster
It is a biggest crime in the world. I hope the mother and
child are dooing
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