LatinaLista — A new report, “Controlling Unauthorized Immigration from Mexico: The Failure of ‘Prevention through Deterrence’ and the Need for Comprehensive Reform,” was released today by academic researchers at the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies (CCIS) at the University of California—San Diego.
University of California student researcher conducts survey with Mexican citizen.
(Source: CCIS)
Researchers targeted four specific states in Mexico who lead the country as sources of origin for US migrants. One area, Oaxaca, was the field site of the most recent and extensive research where the report’s authors found that the desire of coming to the United States was not diminished by stricter enforcement at the border.
In fact, the study reinforced independent observations about the effectiveness of current border enforcement — it’s not entirely working.
However, the study did reveal some interesting insights that are so often overlooked in any report done on the issue of illegal immigration — the immigrants’ feelings.
Their feelings are the key to what motivates them to risk their lives in coming to the US illegally, of making the hard decision to stay amid worksite raids and ICE apprehensions and claiming a foreign country as their new home that has made it clear it doesn’t want them.
In the report, the authors conducted field interviews with Mexican immigrants and touched on the heart of what drives this explosive issue.
Though jobs, of course, remain the main objective for undocumented immigrants, it has now evolved to include another element that wasn’t as predominant before the US got tough at the border — family reunification.
Researchers found that because of risks and the costs of traveling back and forth across the border, once people arrived, they stayed. Being a family-oriented culture, the separation of family members can be a debilitatingly depressing experience, regardless of which side of the border the family members live on, the need to reunify takes precedent, especially when poverty exists on one side of the border and the potential for income on the other.
Because there is less traveling back and forth across the border by these migrants, it leads to the natural decline of apprehensions along the border. So, in essence, claims made that the border fence and/or border security is solely responsible for the decline in apprehensions is false.
There’s a decline because the numbers that use to travel back and forth are not there anymore.
Also, contrary to what is said by illegal immigration critics, these migrants do not want to be in the country illegally. Those surveyed in the report said they would most seriously come to the US in a bracero-type workers program.
Another interesting revelation is that despite all the bad things the public hears about “human smugglers” or coyotes used by the migrants to smuggle them across the border, more and more migrants, 80%, are depending on such opportunists to get here.
What is more surprising is that they are paying them over $2,000 for transport into the US.
It’s a hefty amount of cash that families are willing to pay to get their loved ones on this side of the border and it underscores the fiscal attributes of these people that they can save their hard-earned money.
Yet, the final element of this report statistically shows that those undocumented migrants who are in school have a much higher likelihood of dropping out than those migrants who are documented — it makes sense.
But what doesn’t make sense is that the presumption is that it’s because these students lack their papers and know they can’t get jobs once they graduate that they feel school is a waste of time — especially when they go and get jobs once they drop out anyway.
Documentation is a big factor in a migrant student’s success in school, but it’s not the only one. It’s also the attitude of the student and his family, if they are with him/her, towards the importance of an education versus work.
The report clarified what many in the immigrant advocacy realm already knew but it’s these kinds of reports that need to be dissected and bullet-point listed so those that don’t get it have one less excuse when they parrot misinformation and characterize undocumented migrants as numbers instead of individuals.
Comment(27)
Big Dawg
i’d like to add that the sluggish CA construction industry has had an impact on migrants crossing. this evidence by the fact that the local “yardas” are virtually empty in the SGV (San Gabriel Valley) where i live.
“What is more surprising is that they are paying them over $2,000 for transport into the US.”
in ’94 i was arrested at the U.S. -MX border at San Ysidro, CA for, of all things, “Coyote.”
long story short…
got drunk, got paid, went to TJ and when we were in line to come back my friend told me he didnt have papers. too late to leave the line, we got pulled over, he got deported and i got a Federal felony for smuggling (they wanted, and got, my money).
lol. i kid you not. true story.
anyway, i helped my friend’s mom pay for his coyote to bring him back home… through el cerro: $1400.00, through the line by car: $2000.00.
so not much has changed as far as prices go. still a bargain.
enforcement only will never work.
on a more serious note. the reason the dropout rate is so high (in addition to the frequent moving from apt to apt) for us is because we do not feel that this is our home (although no one doubts that this is our land). we do not feel that this is our culture. i’m speaking of gringolandia, of course. we are strangers in our own land.
school is fine, but it cannot make us gringos.
i think the parents would like to see their children succeed in school, but they may not know how to help them.
my mom was born in 1927 in Santa Paula, CA a city in Ventura County, CA. my grandma and grandpa walked there from Zacatecas, MX around 1920. my grandma already had a sister there. so she came to be close to her.
Ventura, CA has the highest population of Zacatecos in the U.S. and some think more than in Zacatecas itself.
Marisa Treviño
Big Dawg, you’re so right about the current state of the construction industry impacting migrants.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Horace
“on a more serious note. the reason the dropout rate is so high (in addition to the frequent moving from apt to apt) for us is because we do not feel that this is our home (although no one doubts that this is our land). we do not feel that this is our culture. i’m speaking of gringolandia, of course. we are strangers in our own land.”
We drop out of school because we do not feel this is our home? This sounds like a poor excuse for what’s most likely a lack of parental discipline and a culture prone to academic failure. This talk of the U.S. being Mexican land is the widespread Aztland dogma that makes Mexicas feel entitled to violate U.S. sovereignty at will. One has to note that Mexico is run by Mexicans, and its citizens are running away from their own, while this country is run mostly by gringos, and no one is running away from the U.S. One has to wonder what California would be like if it were run entirely by Mexicans. Perhaps they’d still be running away, towards the East coast. The fact is that Mexicans-Americans are better off under gringo majority rule than they are when they rule themselves. It’s not which nation owns California, New Mexico, Colorado et al, but the nature of the government in power. Who in California would like to live there if the national capital was Mexico City?
Frank
What is really sad is that these “migrants” were probably hired at cutrate wages and drove Americans out of the construction workforce.
Huggy Boy
the gift that keeps on giving: “What is really sad is that these “migrants” were probably hired at cutrate wages and drove Americans out of the construction workforce.”
anyone born in no., so, or cental America is AMERICAN.
but the true AMERICANS are the indigenous peoples to this continent.
so know you know who they felt when you disease infested europeans arrived.
second point.
if you so called (poser) “americans” lolol werent so cheap then construction companies would still be hiring pasty do nothing gringos.
why dont you start a company and fill it with nothing but “americans.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you so funny.
clikck me
“on a more serious note. the reason the dropout rate is so high (in addition to the frequent moving from apt to apt) for us is because we do not feel that this is our home (although no one doubts that this is our land). we do not feel that this is our culture. i’m speaking of gringolandia, of course. we are strangers in our own land.”
We drop out of school because we do not feel this is our home?
This sounds like a poor excuse for what’s most likely a lack of parental discipline (1) and a culture prone to academic failure(2). This talk of the U.S. being Mexican land is the widespread Aztland dogma that makes Mexicas feel entitled to violate U.S. sovereignty at will (3). One has to note that Mexico is run by Mexicans(4), and its citizens are running away from their own(5), while this country is run mostly by gringos(6), and no one is running away from the U.S(7). One has to wonder what California would be like if it were run entirely by Mexicans(8). Perhaps they’d still be running away, towards the East coast(9). The fact is that Mexicans-Americans are better off under gringo majority rule(10) than they are when they rule themselves(11). It’s not which nation owns California, New Mexico, Colorado et al, but the nature of the government in power(12). Who in California would like to live there if the national capital was Mexico City(13)?
first, i’d like to say that even the gringos have a perfect graduation rate.
(1) changing high schools is traumatic for migrant teens and national teens as well. But the migrant teen faces more hurdles than the national teen does. Not knowing the language, different sports to learn, different culture to adopt, looking at the U.S. for what it is, a society that oppresses African Americans and other minorities as well as their predecessors, the Mexican-Americans. The mold is cast.
Numbered points:
2, then how do you explain Mexican Harvard graduates? their families bought the capitalist line, so they were educated. still, we have own graduates, like myself, my daughters (brag, brag) and these too:
http://oeop.larc.nasa.gov/hep/lwon/LWONprofiles.html
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hmn/W07/feature1.cfm
and there are MILLIONS more.
3, an effort in futility problemo. It’s your time.
4, Mexico is run by WHITE europeans.
5, it’s citizens escape failed U.S. Foreign policy that has strong armed Mexico for 160 years. and your country is no picnic. look at Detroit. There are dozens of places in the U.S. That are open cesspools of crime, drugs, corruption and the poor there people have nowhere to escape to.
6, gringos heh? You whorass are not gringo. you are eastern european. that’s not gringo. that is SLAV, which means SLAVE. damn triple poser.
7, thousands of people( u.s. citizens) each year leave the U.S. because there is a better life in dozens of other countries.
8, we have.
9, wrong again poser, we WOULD BE. no “perhaps.â€
10, that was said about the colonists in new england and in new spain. there are colonized people who have kissed zionist butt for so long (because they thought it was gringo butt, like gustavo arellano) that they would be better off with the “gringos.†would you like your lips peeled away from a brick of dry ice like that hehehehe?
11, we have never ruled ourselves.
12, then you wont mind being a loyal, faithful citizen of the Nation State of AZTLAN!!!!!!!!
13, millions of us. that’s who. and who said MX DC was going to be the capital?
Maybe you should get your facts straight and then post.
Texan123
Don’t the Mexicans leave family in Mexico to come here? Who else do they send millions in remittences to?
Increased security at the border has made it harder and more expensive to cross back and forth, so many choose to stay here where life is easier.
Once e-verify becomes law, the Mexicans can be reunited with family in Mexico.
Frank
You know damn well that I am referring to the U.S., huggy boy. It is a country in North America but U.S. citizens are commonly called Americans. I know of no Mexicans or other Latino countries that refer to themselves as Americans. Get real, will you?
True U.S. citizens are those who were born or naturalized here. This continent has been divided up into several countries since hundreds of years ago. Crawl out of your cave once in a while, will you?
I can only imagine how ANY people felt hundreds of years ago that suffereed for ANY reason but those of us alive today had nothing to do with their suffering. So what is your point?
What a childish racist you are with your adolescent remarks. REAL Americans have been doing blue collar jobs such as construction since this country’s founding until the “too lazy to fix their own countries”, illegals came here and decided to work cheaper even though they don’t even have a right to be in this country. Yes, the employers are JUST as guilty and I hope they rot in hell also!
This country didn’t become great and successful because the “lazy, pasty faced gringos” sat on their a@@es, you racist puke!
Evelyn
4 major causes of racism.
Racism is one of the most revolting things within the vicinity of humanity. It haunts our past, many times degrading the future. The causes of racism aren’t known to the majority of humans living on earth, however, a good fraction of them express it. In order to cure racism, or at least minimize its affects on humanity, we have to examine the root causes. What are the possible causes of racism? Why are some people racist? Where does racism come from? Some of these questions can be answered here:
Stereotypes
One of the most common causes of racism is stereotypes. Through television, through radio, through the internet, through music, through books, and the like, the potential for stereo types to build are a definite possibility. When a person, especially one that is very young, is exposed to stereotypes of a specific group for the first time, then that person will assume all are that way. Likewise, when a source is constantly displaying negative things about a particular race, then that will affect the overall opinions as well.
Unfamiliarity
Another very common, and probably the most common cause of racism is unfamiliarity. People fear what they do not know or understand. If someone hasn’t grown up around a particular race before, then there is more of a chance the person can be racist toward that particular group. Not all the time, but when the person has already been fed negative stereotypes, and does not have the actual real life experiences with at least one within the particular group, then the chances of racism are increased. This is why it is important for children to be around other races at a young age: to ensure they get their minds used and adapted to being around them, and also to help counterbalance any false stereotypes they may encounter in the future.
Selfishness
is another obvious cause of racism. Humans are sometimes very selfish creatures caring only about their own at the expense of others. If individuals aren’t taught how to respect others, then the potential for the person to become racist is increased as well. This is why you will find that most caring individuals aren’t racist. Neither are they sexist or anything else.
Genes and Environment
The lastly and probably the most surprising cause of racism is biology and genes. We are all made different biologically and genetically. Our physical environment can affect our biology and therefore in many causes affect our minds. This does not mean freewill and choice are not options, but that individuals’ potential for racism could possibly be increased though similar genetic traits of parents and other environmental factors. Just as some people are more prone to getting heart disease, arthritis, or whatever when passed down through their parents, so some people are more prone to become racist. This should not be used as an excuse that racism has to persist, but more of a better chance to cure racism biological rather than thinking it can only be done by other means.
Those are the 4 main causes of racism. As previously stated, racism is one of the most revolting things that paralyzes humanity. To cure racism permanently, we must first address the root problems, which are: stereotypes, unfamiliarity, selfishness, and biology aspects. When we cure and address those things, we will cure racism as well.
mayanmx
Dearest Frank y Texano123,
I hope we can keep this civil, remember, we all represent, so let’s keep it cooled down.
Now, about that efile, I mean, everify system you speak about. Pls. allow this overeducated, multicultural person suggest that there might be some down sides to this system. It’s serious enough that everyone should be concerned. When everfiy was tested, out of 17 million people identified under the system, 12 million were American citizens. This is a very serious concern. Who will those American citizens be? Does anyone remember reading in the Raza Chicano classes (hahaha, for you two, that was meant as a joke) when so many Americans were wrongly thrown out of the country to Mexico in the 1930’s, when our economy was at a similar point, overburdened by war, bad economy.
Does it really makes sense to verify -why not find a way to normalize the 12 million people here, have people sign up, pay their fees, back taxes? Instead of costing us money, we might even find a way to take care of things in an orderly fashion rather than this back door illegality witch hunt that brings shame to our country in my opinion. Its not about laws, I respect the laws. The system did not respect the laws a long time ago and now 12 million people are here.
In a similar vein, I must point out to you Frank that unfortunately, once again, your expansive education limits your perspective. Perhaps you have never traveled south, never stood before someone other than an “American” when you call yourself an American, and hear people sneaker. It’s like a litmus test of knowledge about anything beyond yourself. Everyone ELSE thinks we are idiots when we call ourselves Americans. This continent is called the Americas. Therefore, as residents of the Continent, we are all called Americans. U.S. Citizens too, but also other people. That we continue to speak of ourselves as the only Americans is just evidence of ignorance, an example of our inability to play with others unless we are “right,†something else you might pick up from a trip south.
Norace, brother, you do need some education if you are going to engage anyone in discussion on Mexico. Really, your whole post is filled with offensive stereotypes that are part of an agenda to make people think of anyone “hispanic, latino (aka, mexican) as uneducated, and of course, you must think you insult us by calling us indians, mexicas (pls learn something about Mexico’s numerous, numerous indigenous peoples over history and today because you discount your own arguments with misinformation.) I swear there is no community out to get you or claim land or take over. Yet, you know that, don’t you? You say these things because they hurt, the insults sting my eyes and make me feel sorry for you. At a time when children are being ripped away from their parents, and our business community in array at a time when we need a healthy economy, all you can see is an enemy. How sad for us all, truly.
When you say those things, I remember stories I have heard from relatives, of people like you that used to feel comfortable saying such things to people on the street, preventing the use of common bathrooms, restaurants, access to education. Not immigrants. U.S. “citizens†who either have native or Mexican backgrounds. Not to mention African Americans, Japanese…. I don’t blame you for the racism in the past, I blame you for your racism today.
Pues, what more can be said? I love my country (the U.S.), the respect the history from my family (again, here in the u.s.), and honor the cultures of which I am made, all of them. I’m not trying to be all rainbowishy but really, maybe it somehow makes me feel sadness when I hear the hurling insults back and forth that spell only continued lack of understanding.
Kudos for this report that tries to go beyond the stereotype, and seeks to invite education, and inspire greater sharing of information. So we can learn about each other rather than hating.
I feel like there are no “bad guys” not the businesses, not the consumers, and not the workers. That’s why I can’t understand why such drastic measures are taken. How can action be taken until this issue can be solved? Bulldozing through criminalization and seeking to scapegoat one part of the equation is just wrong. Why don’t we lay blame aside and figure out how to make rational, humane, intelligent sense of our reality – how do we handle this situation of 12 million people here, living, working, studying, loving, creating lives for a heck of a long time before enforcement became a mantra. Pure enforcement denies reality, its purely beneath us.
Tigre del Norte
Somos mas Americanos
Texan123
Entering the US by illegally crossing the border should NOT be rewarded. How will giving legal status to 12-40 million lawbreakers STOP illegal immigration? What about the next 20 million? At what point do we say “enough”. Taxpayers can not educate, house, and provide healthcare for all the world’s poor.
What about the millions of American citizens who have their ID stolen? Workplace enforcement thru e-verify will help stop that. It may not be a perfect system but it is a fair, unracist way to verify legal workers. A trip to the local Social Security office will clear up errors for legal workers.
Those who choose to violate the law should stop blaming those wanting to enforce the law for the hardships caused by the lawbreakers decisions.
Illegal aliens need to be told that using a false Social Security number for work or anything else is FRAUD and identity theft and United States citizens are tired of it.
Frank
may, wrong! E-verify has very little degree of inaccuracy and at any rate an employer would be given something like 60-90 days to clear up any discrepancies. Comparing this to the lack of technology we had back in the 1930’s is ridiculous!
As far as your legalization/amnesty views go, I totally disagree with you.
Evelyn
Texcan123
What about this. Did you forget or were you just trying to ignore it?
Why Do Immigrants Come to the U.S.?
In the early hours of dawn or in the plain light of day, massive immigration raids at factories, fast-food chains, and neighborhoods have swept up thousands of people. ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement, part of U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security) “removedâ€â€”that is, deported—276,912 undocumented immigrants just in 2007. These are the actions of a modern-day Gestapo, the fascist police that rounded up Jews and others in Nazi Germany.
This major intensification of raids has torn parents from their children. There are approximately five million children in the U.S. who have at least one parent who is considered an “illegal†immigrant by the government. Many of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants being rounded up and deported have children they were forced to leave behind. One recent study of ICE raids at three work sites where 900 adults were arrested found that 500 children were affected. (National Council of La Raza, “Paying the Price: The Impact of Immigration Raids on America’s Childrenâ€)
Why did these immigrants end up in the U.S. in the first place?
Manuel was 18 when he left his small town in the countryside of Oaxaca in southern Mexico. He traveled to northern Mexico. And then he risked his life to cross the border through the desert—where the heat and lack of water can mean painful death. He now works in a garment sweatshop in Los Angeles, living life in the shadows as an undocumented immigrant, wary every minute of being picked up in one of the raids by armed government agents.
Manuel didn’t want to leave his home. “I love the countryside and being among my people. But it was time for me to think about my mom and my younger brothers and sisters. It’s impossible to make a living off the land anyway, so I came here to make money and send money to my family and to build a little house in my town.†He said most of the guys his age had already left his town by the time he, too, left.
There are countless stories like Manuel’s—he is one of the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S., exploited in farm fields, sweatshops, meat-packing plants, restaurants, construction, and so on. Why have so many made that dangerous trek across the border, where hundreds die each year?
Let’s look at that border. It wasn’t always where it is. The United States seized huge chunks of Mexican territory in the mid-1800s. And as U.S. capitalism developed into a worldwide imperialist empire, it has dominated, oppressed, and distorted the economy and development of the whole country of Mexico, feeding off its people and its resources.
Then in 1994, this domination took a new leap with the so-called “free trade†agreement (NAFTA)—which gave the U.S. imperialists more “freedom†to squeeze even more profits out of Mexico. The results have been disastrous for the masses of people in Mexico.
Why does Manuel say “it’s impossible to make a living off the land� Because NAFTA knocked down what protection there was for small farmers in Mexico. And they could no longer compete with the cheaper corn and other crops, produced by huge U.S. agribusiness corporations, that flooded Mexico. More than six million peasants have been driven from the countryside since 1994 because they can no longer feed themselves and their families by farming. And the shantytowns around Mexico’s cities, already swollen with the very poor and the displaced, offer no way out.
So that is why millions of immigrant workers have ended up in the U.S. as “illegals.†It’s not a matter of “choice.†It’s not that these immigrants want to willfully “break the law†or “freeload†off social services or “steal American jobs†or any of the other lies that the rulers of this system tell about them—and that too many people are taken in by.
The truth is that the immigrants have been forced across the border by the workings of the capitalist-imperialist system and the policies of those in power.
Once in the U.S., these immigrant workers are super-exploited—working the most low-paying and dangerous jobs. Again, the immigrants do not “choose†to work such jobs. Those are the only kind of work offered to them under the U.S. capitalist economy, which has become so dependent on the super-exploitation of immigrant labor that it cannot function without it. The immigrants have to work those jobs, or face starvation for themselves and their families.
And the capitalist rulers use the immigrants’ “illegal†status—which is the result of this system’s workings in the first place—to keep them suppressed and under control. “Step out of line,†the immigrants are told, “and you’ll not only lose your job—you’ll be arrested, deported, separated from your children.†Immigrant communities are being terrorized by a fascist crackdown—widespread immigration round-ups, massive deportations, racist vigilantes, more militarization on the border, etc.
The rulers of this country, aided by the mass media, work hard to keep the people ignorant of the truth, in order to use the immigrants as scapegoats for all the insecurities and problems that this capitalist system has forced on the majority of people. Many in the middle class feel their living standards and quality of life under attack, and they are being misled by the mouthpieces for the capitalist-imperialist system that is actually responsible for the bad shape things are in.
The ruining of Mexico’s economy that has driven millions into desperation…horrors for millions of immigrants forced into slavery-like conditions in the U.S….the prejudice against immigrants that is fanned to keep people divided…the fascistic roundups and cruel break-up of families… all of these are the products of this capitalist-imperialist system.
Horace
“Does it really makes sense to verify -why not find a way to normalize the 12 million people here, have people sign up, pay their fees, back taxes? Instead of costing us money, we might even find a way to take care of things in an orderly fashion rather than this back door illegality witch hunt that brings shame to our country in my opinion. Its not about laws, I respect the laws. The system did not respect the laws a long time ago and now 12 million people are here.”
Why should we give citizenship to people who’ve shown nothing but contempt for the citizens of this country? If we treat Mexicans badly, then one has to wonder what you’d call the horrible way the Mexican government treats its own illegal aliens. Mexicans can hardly be said to hold the moral high ground on this issue. Beatings, rapes, theft, are part and parcel of how Mexicans abuse all those illegal migrants who traverse their territory while heading north. No, it doesn’t make sense to give these people who fail to even help themselves by electing a honest governemnt. They beg for money to take care of their horrid narco state issues when half of all taxes go uncollected and some of the richest men in the world pay almost next to nothing in support of their countrymen. The Mexican government arrogantly traverses our soil in support of illegal immigrants, passing out Matricular Consular cards and counseling them how to evade our law enforcement personnel. And for this you expect our citizens to love Mexico and the illiterate and poor who they send our way. Get real! This is the character of the people who cross our border and disrespect us. Hard working? Maybe, but I think we can do better in enlisting better educated and equally hard working. Mexicans do no have a monopoly on industriousness.
Evelyn
So Jeffery Dahlmer was a serial killer and if you emulate him, that will make you a better person???? In other words we should treat immigrants the way you think Mexico does?
You are showing your ignorance again with this display of racism.
Evelyn
Weaknesses in E-Verify:
“The E-Verify system is not fraud-proof and was not designed to detect identity fraud.” USCIS Director Emilio Gonzalez. E-Verify cannot detect when workers are using another person’s name and SSN. In September 2007, USCIS launched photo capabilities to display the identity photo of 15 million EAD and green-card holders. E-Verify participation will not make employers immune from I-9 compliance audits or possibility of raids. For example, on April 16, 2008, ICE raided Pilgrim’s Pride poultry plants and arrested more than 300 foreign nationals working in its plants in Texas, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas and West Virginia for suspicion of committing identity theft and other criminal violations in order to obtain employment. Pilgrim’s Pride participates in E-Verify but the E-Verify system did not detect the identity theft. Thus far, 91 workers have been charged with criminal violations, including false use of a Social Security number and document fraud. Pilgrim’s Pride, which has been cooperating with the ICE’s investigation, knew about the raids in advance and has not been charged with any civil or criminal violations. Julie Myers, Assistant Secretary for DHS stated, “this case is a good example of our efforts to prosecute identity theft that harms credit and the good name of U.S. Citizens.”
Verification data can be used as a means of targeting employers for I-9 audits. In 2005, employers made over 900,000 queries into E-Verify and GAO has stated that this data could be used for worksite enforcement. ICE has the ability to request and receive program data from USCIS on specific employers who participate in E-Verify and are under investigation. (GAO Worksite Report, July
13, 2006.)
Your lies and racist rants are showing your ignorance again.
Read the news before you put your foot in your mouth again. Mexico refused the money! It seems they couldn’t be bought, this time.
You do know the Euro Gov. In Mexico is in collusion with the U.S. gov. The U.S. says jump they ask how high.
LAURENCE ILIFF / The Dallas Morning News
liliff@dallasnews.com / The Dallas Morning News
MEXICO CITY – Mexico will tell the U.S. to keep its money, if the U.S. Congress insists on linking a proposed anti-drug aid package to a series of human rights and legal conditions along with whittling down its dollar value, Mexican politicians, analysts and a top law enforcement official said Wednesday. Both houses of Congress have passed the package but have not agreed on a final version.
The conditions – which touch on human rights, judicial reforms and other issues – amount to a return to “certification,” a past practice in which the U.S. unilaterally decided whether nations were doing enough to fight drug production and trafficking, said José LuÃs Santiago Vasconcelos, assistant attorney general for international affairs.
Mexico considered certification a violation of its sovereignty.
“Why don’t we tell the Americans to use those [funds] for their own interdiction forces or interception forces … and stop the flow of weapons,” Mr. Santiago Vasconcelos said in a radio interview. “Rather than giving them to Mexico, they can be used by the Americans to reinforce their Customs service, their Border Patrol, and stop the arms trafficking to our country.”
Mr. Santiago Vasconcelos’ boss, Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora, said in a television interview Wednesday that President Felipe Calderón is waiting to see the final version of the aid package before making a decision.
“The president will very carefully consider what is finally approved, and defending the best interests of Mexico, will make the correct decision, of that we can be sure,” Mr. Medina Mora said.
The sudden change in the Mexican government’s tone – after heralding the package as an unprecedented opportunity for the two nations to work together on a critical issue – could mark the end of the so-called Merida Initiative, analysts said.
The $1.4 billion plan is aimed at helping Mexico obtain helicopters, improve intelligence sharing, and reduce the smuggling of high-powered weapons from the U.S. to Mexico. It is named after the Mexican city where President Bush and Mr. Calderón first discussed the deal in March 2007.
“I think one way or another, it’s dead,” said political commentator Ricardo Alemán. “Mr. Vasconcelos is a very high-ranking police official and has support from the government.”
No political party will support an aid package with the U.S. if serious strings are attached, Mr. Alemán said, especially one that offers no cash payments at all, but rather “in-kind” support made up mostly of used “junk” helicopters.
The last time Mexico accepted used helicopters from the U.S., it was forced to give them back after several crashed.
Mr. Alemán said a rejection of a flawed deal with the U.S. would be politically popular for Mr. Calderón, who is losing some support for the bloody drug war that has taken 4,150 lives since he took office Dec. 1, 2006. More than 450 of those slain have been police.
“Mexicans are very unyielding on this,” Mr. Alemán said. “First you reduce the amount, and then you put on conditions, so why don’t you just keep your money
Frank
Horace, it never ceases to amaze me how these pro-illegals use the U.S. as a “scapegoat” for these people’s problems. Mexico in particular is hardly ever blamed or the fact that those who cross our border illegally make no attempt to fix their country.
As far as the seperation of families go, that is utter BS. Just recently with the Agriprocessors raid, those whose only infraction was to come illegally to our country with no other serious criminal records were released to care for their dependent children. These same pro-illegals who claim this nonsense couldn’t give a rat’s behind when a citizen is seperated from their families/children and incarerated for commiting a crime. What effing hypocrites!
Texan123
Evelyn, I understand your compassion for those who suffer poverty. What about the Haitians, the Africans, and all the other poor, oppressive countries? Should all be allowed to come, bring their families and enjoy US citizenship rights?
There are limits on how many immigrants our economy can absorb. Giving legal status to all who have illegally crossed the border is unfair to the thousands who have applied, paid fees and waited for legal permission to come and work here.
Is it fair for so many Mexicans to “CUT IN LINE” and then demand the right to stay here? What about respect for our laws? Is it ok to steal a person’s Social Security number. Is it ok to drive with no license or insurance? Is it ok to lie on job applications as long as the person breaking the laws is seeking a better life? Personally, I think my life would be much better if I stopped paying Federal Income tax, but there are penalties if US citizens don’t pay. I prefer to be honest and law abiding.
Do you have any idea how many of the children born to illegal immigrants have the hospital bill paid for by US citizens? Do you know how many hospitals have closed due to being forced to provide care to illegals?
Illegal immigrants CHOOSE to bring children into the problems they face. Parents know they are in violation of law when they bring children here. It is the PARENTS fault that the children suffer the results of the parents illegal actions. Just like anyone who goes to jail and leaves children and family.
The United States can not continue to let millions of under educated, unvaccinated, uninsured illegal immigrants invade our nation. No more than Mexico would allow millions of illegal immigrants to come and remain in their country.
Forget about the history. The Native Americans and Spaniards. It is a different world now.
Evelyn
Is your stupidity so great that even though you’ve been shown 100 times why Mexicans come you cant comprehend?
Your effing Ignorance is showing again. That is what is to blame. That, is what you should direct your anger at!!
Evelyn
Tescan 1234
All the fibs you have listed have been debunked. That is a list made up by racists. Sorry I dont lap up this BS. I’m not a kool-aid drinker either!
I will add I dont advocate for anyone to come, unless it is done legally. I do however believe in justice and equality as our constution calls for.
I believe Immigrants that are already here should be allowed to stay just like the immigrants from Europe. CIR needs to be passed ASAP!
Frank
We don’t emulate any other country’s immigration laws. We set our own policies based on our needs with FAIR quotas from many different countries and ethnic groups. Illegal immigration changes those fair policies.
Ignorance and racism abounds with those who don’t want to adhere to this fair practice in favor of their own ethnic kind.
Evelyn
Your sence of what you think is fair is warped.
Frank
Take it up with our government, if you don’t think our immigration policies are fair. We are only law abiding citizens who follow the law unless or if they are changed. We disagree that they are unfair. That doesn’t make us racists for that nor does it make you right because YOU think so.
Horace
Frank, Texan, I don’t know why you fence with this cretin. Don’t respond to her idiocy. Ignore her, she’s just the other side of the KKK coin. If she posts something, just pretend she hasn’t done so.
Frank
I agree, Horace. I don’t understand why Marisa allows this cretin’s hateful remarks in here. This cretin can’t debate without using the word racist against us at least a half dozen times in one post. Why the cretin can’t debate like an adult, I have no idea. At any rate, I won’t be posting that much in here anymore as I guess this is the way that Marisa wants it. Hateful name calling is just as bad as using profanity in my views. No solutions can be reached using those kinds of tactics.
Evelyn
You call me a “cretin” because I dont put up with your lies and the fact that you tell them to further your racist agenda. HA! HA! That is the truth. Cut and run, you should be ashamed of yourselves for being racists. See if I care. Bye!
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